So I'm walking my fighter off new banian earlier today and I see some black mage positively exploding over nsay. The reason? A bored veteran player was on a fighter alt, and attacked the black mage outside of town, and ran to guards. Black mage of course runs after and strikes back and gets raped thanks to it.

I told the black mage to settle his shit down and learn from it because it happens, and then it got me to thinking as I often have: Why the fuck did we change this in the first place? I don't remember at the time what good was supposed to become of the new outlaw system, but ever since its inception it hasn't done any player, new or old, any good, unless you count "lolz im bored and trolling what a nifty tool" as doing a player good.

The only thing I ever see happening on this new outlaw system is timid just outside town player harassment and baiting of newbies, among other winning tactics. I guess I'm just here to ask why we don't bring the old system back? The only people I see honestly coming in to defend this new system are people like dean who use it to either be nuisances or any of the number of folks who enjoy newbie baiting. There's no helpful purpose that has emerged from the new outlaw system, so I and others would like to see it reverted to "you smack or status someone anywhere in the world at any time, you're an outlaw, fuck you".

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The only problem I can see with the old outlaw system is, say you're hostile to someone in a town, they can attack you with impunity, which can also be usable for trolling, but it takes a little bit more to set it up. Other than that, I could agree with putting the old outlaw system back in.

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If nothing else we could modify a few of those aspects that beg for abuse, but the way it is right now cast the scales so stupidly far in favor of abuse that it's not even funny.

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Can't someone who initiates battle with someone just be flagged as "Fair game"? That'll put an end to one of the many trillions of things the FFO community has a reputation for abusing.

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if its an actual in game flagging system, fuck yeah.

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Normally I'd totally agree with you here, LP, but with the new PVP flagging system, this should become much less of a problem.

Especially since under the new system, hostile = fair game.

For FFO itself though? Definitely reinstate the old hostility.

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Yeah, this is deff for FFO, not terulia. The new flag system is gonna be badass considering the nature of that game.

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This will once again make Steal/Filch useless/unusable.

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Seems more like a knee-jerk reaction based suggestion considering something similar happened to LP in Argo about a half an hour before he posted this.

Newbies soon come to understand that staying within view of other players and NPCs is a good thing when PKers are afoot.



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It really isn't that bad. After the first time someone falls for the trick they learn from it and it becomes a non-issue from then on pretty much.

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Gakumerasara wrote:

This will once again make Steal/Filch useless/unusable.

Your choice. More players or a griefing skill is easier to use. Or find a way to make it usable, like make it not set off the outlaw system when the player using isn't in range of a guard.

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Just because you say it's a skill for causing grief doesn't make it so. Thieves steal and filching is a major source of income. Thieves have constantly been screwed over in updates.

If you disagree, allow me to remind you of:
Enchant Lock
Threshold requirement for smashing doors
Automatic outlaw for hitting doors even without witnesses

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doesn't hitting domain buildings mobilize the army too

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Yeah, forgot that one.

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we might as well make it so that guards can fly too!!!! those poor newbies (LP) getting griefed i cant believe someone would do such a thing.

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give guards grab _________________________________________

Forget FFO and finish Terulia.

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No and yes. _________________________________________ "Take this shipment of supplies to Gillian, and try not to murder anyone's parents along the way, alright?"

my only gripe with the old outlaw system was the thing about being outside of towns and getting outlawed for whatever..

make it so it works as it does now except if you attack anyone in a town, you get outlawed regardless of witnesses. if you attack a person outside of a town then a npc has to see it i guess for you to get outlawed. and then for steal/filch use the current method of getting outlawed(a witness needs to be in sight)... after all, ideally you wouldn't be seen pickpocketing by whoever you're doing it to. if you beat someone and then take their stuff.. that's called mugging. ;o

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give guards hold.. lmao....

and xmagic

because we cater to people in ffo who are too dumb to play

right!?

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