I can fully understand why it could be considered a problem for more than half the players on the game to be in one domain, but it is very important to look at why these players might all be living in one domain.

The first reason is obvious, total newbies will more than likely join Giant's Helm because of it's location and the fact that of all the domains, it has the weakest monsters in the areas around it. Another reason there are so many citizens in Giant's Helm is that almost every mule and alt that ever leaves New Banian ends up in Giant's Helm.

At present, there are 5 to 10 or more large training parties every day, that meet in Giant's Helm. It is only natural that somebody would want to live in the town where the training parties meet.

Overpopulation is something that should be very carefully considered, before making changes that will give negative effects to a domain, simply because it has a large number of citizens.

Consider what is gained by hard coding features to force people to live in a domain other than Giant's Helm. The results would most likely only make the domain situation even more unstable, and just increase the number of citizens in argo.

Also consider that alot of players don't want to live in Irendi because the Shyron Passage AKA ice caves are very difficult for less powerful players to get through, especially solo. Even the walk from Giant's Helm to Sankora is very difficult for newbies.

What bebefit will the FFO community get from an update that attempts to spread out the population in this way?

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I concur.

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1: i understand where this comes from, but we shouldnt promote people act like newbies forever, they do learn and adapt and get better.

2: people have been known to meet generally where ever for parties, and if the feature does get added, then you'll see alot less people only relyig on a single domain (Gsh) as a rally point.

3: if a domain is capable of managing a large population, then that large population comes at high demand\high maintenence, meaning they should be more than enough to take care of the town regarding treasury, and Domainwarfare, it might be a bit over powered to be able to completely rely on Upkeep for maintaining the army of a massive town and treausry not feel anythig at all.

4: The problem isit only that we dont want to see people living in GSH, the problem is that we dont want to promote this kind of cluster**** in terulia, this solves alot of problems regarding domains at the moment in FFO as well.

5: the mosters in caves are a bit tough i will admit, but that means a few thigs, either more advanced players should be the ones attempting irendi, or the monsters are too strong and should be toned down a little, i personally think both are the cases curently.

6: the idea moreso directly benifits terulia and domain economy as it is now

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You can't BS a BSer

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I don't know who you are sporkeh, but you're... funny.

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The run from Tristram to the docks is not as ass-rapingly hard as some people seem to make out. You seem to act like GsH is the only acceptable Domain to live in for newbies, but it really is not.

You also mention that the enemies around GsH are easy, then say newbies have trouble running from Sankora to GsH. I understand that this can be a painful run, but if the person can't handle the enemies just below GsH, they probably shouldn't have left NB in such a hurry. This sort of thing would be easily prevented by Guides helping players and talking to them when they start, suggesting that they stay on the Island for a while.

Finally, there's two benefits to this. 1) We get to test out a system that should be implemented in Terulia anyway to prevent this sort of unbalanced thing from happening in the first place, and 2) one/two people don't get full control of most of the FFO's population's gold in taxes and bank interest, which is far too potentially abuseable.

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I like the perspective, but the idea is horrible.

It's flawed. Isn't it based on a total population? The domains will never even out, meaning there will always be problems.

Giant's Helm is the center for many reasons. Not saying that it *should be*, but that there is more to it than just the fact that it's some Lord's domain.

It's fine to be tested. I'm not arguing against the balancing of domains, I'm arguing against an idea that would slowly wither away a successful domain due to a flawed suggestion.

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Dawn wrote:

I like the perspective, but the idea is horrible.

It's flawed. Isn't it based on a total population? The domains will never even out, meaning there will always be problems.

Giant's Helm is the center for many reasons. Not saying that it *should be*, but that there is more to it than just the fact that it's some Lord's domain.

I'm not arguing against the balancing of domains, I'm arguing against an idea that would slowly wither away a successful domain due to a flawed suggestion.

Domains in FFO will never even out, but Terulia has them a lot more evenly spaced out. No more domains two screens from the docks then another domain three screens south. In fact, I'm pretty sure that the walk between domains is something like Tristram from IC, though don't quote me on that I'm probably wrong.

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No, its not based on total population, the system actually uses a average as a base then gives a % over that average allowing for more space than should be allowed.

It wasent ment to make the domains evenly spread out.

But it was ment to at least fairly spread them out, or some penalties are applied, the penalties arent severe if overcrowding isint severe.

Also, just because you say something is a "Flawed" suggestion doesent make it one, especially when you dont know the exact values behind how it will work, The system gives alot of LeeWay or how ever you spell that.

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Why dont you just cap the populations of domains then istead of penalizing people for ahving to many citizens. More than half of the characters in gsh are more than likeley musles anyway, they shouldnt really even have a place outside of nb. Also itll keep the lord on theire respective citizen lists, who is and who is not being a productive domain member.

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That would cause way more problems than any solution though of thus far.

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How?

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It is still flawed. I hope the playerbase could have a loud enough voice to express how they feel about how things happen in the game they play and enjoy. Dev member, Marcus, doesn't seem to have an open ear to half the playerbase

It's almost like domains are going to have to reserve places in their domains for people and others are unwelcome because it would give the domain a penalty.

If domains aren't going to be so close in Terulia, then why worry about a domain being overcrowded like Giant's Helm if they're evenly spread out?

This would be more "useful" this hosting than it would be in Terulia, and this hosting definitely doesn't need this trouble. Giant's helm is practically two or three screens away from the docks, like you say. Citizenship in Giant's Helm will be in high demand just like it has always been.



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Shane wrote:

You also mention that the enemies around GsH are easy, then say newbies have trouble running from Sankora to GsH. I understand that this can be a painful run, but if the person can't handle the enemies just below GsH, they probably shouldn't have left NB in such a hurry.

The monsters that spawn in the forest north of Sankora are alot harder than those that spawn west of Giant's Helm, especially at night when Doomvines and Baby Dragons come out. Its very easy to solo a couple Brigands and Pirates, but alot harder to solo a couple Doomvines, which cast dark and earth and Baby Dragons, which have very high melee and magic defense, compared to other monsters in the area, not to mention that bombs also spawn north of Sankora. I just wanted to clear up that somebody who could easily train west of Giant's Helm could easily have a problem getting from Sankora to Giant's Helm.

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Could someone explain how the mechanic would work again? I don't get it.

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Then you'd have people completely limiting towns to their buddies, their buddy alts, and completely closing it off for the rest of the world, or some stuff like that, Limiting the the population leaves room for a loooot of problems, Where as this system actually makes managing all the citizens as taxing as it should be and was ment to be, Lords should have more interaction within the Economy at all times anyways, Not the thing we have now, Log in every now and then on your lord char to idle for Happiness ect, then haha around. If you're going to overlook a lot of people then you should actually have to work and manage stuff, not it be competely easy mode where they can sit back, relax, 90% of the time dont even care about politics within their domains and just haha around.

This system also encourages the Lord interact moreso with its citizens since every single character will matter to the economy where as right now you want people i your town for two reasons, to defend it, or for treasury.

This system also promotes more player based domain warfare. Heavily populated towns usually wont be able to support massive armies with this new system in place, meaning players will moreso be the army in these domains. Meaning armies would become compensation for lack of players, compared to what FFO has now, One domain with a full army and massive population being almost impossible to take without abusing mechanics, like black did last hosting.

I can go on all day as to how other mechanics benifit from this, and Regardless of what you all say, This would be a great way to test and see how this system would actually work in Terulia, by applying it to FFO as of now. FFO was ment to be a test environment anyways.

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Read what I posted last, Marcus.

You know, this suggestion can be tested, but should not remain in this hosting. It's too severe for how things are now, Giant's Helm is over populated due to convinience. You won't have that problem in Terulia when it isn't so convinient.

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Zasha wrote:

Shane wrote:

You also mention that the enemies around GsH are easy, then say newbies have trouble running from Sankora to GsH. I understand that this can be a painful run, but if the person can't handle the enemies just below GsH, they probably shouldn't have left NB in such a hurry.

The monsters that spawn in the forest north of Sankora are alot harder than those that spawn west of Giant's Helm, especially at night when Doomvines and Baby Dragons come out. Its very easy to solo a couple Brigands and Pirates, but alot harder to solo a couple Doomvines, which cast dark and earth and Baby Dragons, which have very high melee and magic defense, compared to other monsters in the area, not to mention that bombs also spawn north of Sankora. I just wanted to clear up that somebody who could easily train west of Giant's Helm could easily have a problem getting from Sankora to Giant's Helm.

True enough, but these are still some of the easiest monsters in the game. If someone is having trouble with these, then perhaps it's more of an issue of just leaving Newbie Island far too damned quickly. At any rate, it's not like you're supposed to easily solo much anyway - even on my Red Wizard it's a lot of effort and work put into soloing for very little reward for the time.

Either they'll get spoonfed or they'll solo their experience, most likely in New Banian. In the case of the former, they will be deprived of any sort of skill at the game because all they'll have to do is stand there and whack things and if they drop just wait for someone to life them. In the latter, they will gain skill on their own time and at their own pace and learn more like how this game properly works. It's not like there's a fee to go from Argo to New Banian, and letting them live in Giant's Helm as weak as they are only discourages them from going back to NB.

Back when the Level Cap was still only 14, most of my experience came from NB. Everyone went back there to solo because most of the rest of the game was too hard. It's not like just because there's WWs with Life around means that's not an option anymore.

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I was still typing when you'd made your post.

The sooner this mechanic is tested the better, And leaving the mechanic in also lets us see how it would work long term.

This lets us test alot of things, like how the players would adapt, and how the whole society would be effected, big influence or small.

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Dawn wrote:

You know, this suggestion can be tested, but should not remain in this hosting.

Some viruses take many decades to manifest.

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