Oh man, you guys are not gonna like me.

I understand this idea was put up while ago. But it wasn't thought out and was too rash.

Yes, this suggestion is to remove top-tier equipment. Let me lay out what's going on in this head of mine:

Shops are restored to their prior status (tier 5 gear is possible and not-so-hard to get). Prices of gear are restored to their prior status (a GK doesn't cost 10000 gold a swing). And last, the final four tiers are removed from the game.

I will be using heavy armor for this because I am a smelly knight.

This means that Steel is now the best tier of armor you can get. "oh my God Cea are you kidding waaaah"

Listen, bros. There's a reason. We have forever sought the balance of casual and hardcore. Hardcore players need to be rewarded, they are hardcore. But casual players can't have their game experience ruined because they work 14 hours a day fighting for your freedom. This. Is. The. Answer.

Casual players will be able to shop for that bronze gear, they can train good with bronze gear (it's all I used to use. Everyone knows this). And at the same time, they can HOLD THEIR OWN in PvP. Again, all I used to do was use bronze armor. And I have dominated the game wearing it. So it's possible. But at the same time, hardcore-jr can find some sick-ass Steel gear off champs. He's gonna have that edge, but if bronze-knight goes against steel-knight and steel-knight thinks charge is all you need in PvP, then bronze-knight can, and will, win!

And of course, for this to work, it's important to remove that silly gear price hike. If there is no Dragon-Templar-SSJ armor, then there's no need for the price hike.

While we're at it, let's drop the top three elemental tiers as well as the HP/MP gears. ;D Okay, maybe you guys aren't ready to remove all your training-wheels. But it is a serious side-thought.

Now listen, Terulia ain't gonna have 200 tiers of weapons and armor. So those of you scared of this suggestion fear change and you fear the change because it's going to require you to play the game. And not just get lucky on some stupid champ / Garland.

Speaking of weapons, we can't just hack the top 4 like armor. It'd require a little looking into, some types could do top 3 while others might need more/less. Again, as a knight, I could see Silver Sword being the "almighty top sword" (like tha old days!!).





Alright FFO. Come at me, bros. You know this needs to happen but people fear those with skillz. This suggestion removes the training wheels. It makes you need to learn the game. And it makes you not impossible to kill by people at the same level because you have a full Adamantine set with your Giant's Bane-Sword.

also if you come at me with "u only want this cea becuz i beat ur ass in the game lol" or any other sort of stupid non-contributing comment, I shall red hammer you from the forums. FOREVER.

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I know you tryna troll me homes but I have 3 steel pieces I switch and those are my tops. x) I would be pretty offended if the masamune and warlord blade I raped Vigo so hard for were suddenly gone though, especially with the retarded engraves I paid. I'm voting +1 but only if I get refunds. Yes I want 1.2 mil back for these Archwiz Mammoth pants.

Edit: The only top tier armors that drop off of any champs other than the champ dragons we (probably) will never spawn or at least kill, are in light armor which has half the dex stealth grants... and I don't consider Samurai/mithril to be OP.

I have 1 Dragon Blight peice, it was a garland drop. I HEARD of a Warlord Wayfarer but it was never confirmed it exists, at least to me.

I might paste my gear in here after this EEs trip though just so you realize #1 RW and #1 Knight are both already using low tier ****.

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Killa wrote:

I know you tryna troll me homes but I have 3 steel pieces I switch and those are my tops. x) I would be pretty offended if the masamune and warlord blade I raped Vigo so hard for were suddenly gone though, especially with the retarded engraves I paid. I'm voting +1 but only if I get refunds. Yes I want 1.2 mil back for these Archwiz Mammoth pants.

As I tried to make clear, this isn't about you. If this happened it'd probably require a pwipe, sadly.

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Cea wrote:

Killa wrote:

I know you tryna troll me homes but I have 3 steel pieces I switch and those are my tops. x) I would be pretty offended if the masamune and warlord blade I raped Vigo so hard for were suddenly gone though, especially with the retarded engraves I paid. I'm voting +1 but only if I get refunds. Yes I want 1.2 mil back for these Archwiz Mammoth pants.

As I tried to make clear, this isn't about you. If this happened it'd probably require a pwipe, sadly.

Why do you guys always want a Pwipe when you lost .xO! Serious question. Not that it bothers me more as it's an interesting concept.

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I haven't "lost". Or I'd not have a town and I'd have quit training/playing. As I have all that happening still, I haven't lost anything. And pwipes are a natural part of FFO. as I said, it'd "sadly" require a pwipe. I've been training hard every weekend, I'm training right now. My interest is always a better, more fun FFO.

Also, this is not relevant to the idea. ;o

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Cea wrote:

I haven't "lost". Or I'd not have a town and I'd have quit training/playing. As I have all that happening still, I haven't lost anything. And pwipes are a natural part of FFO. as I said, it'd "sadly" require a pwipe. I've been training hard every weekend, I'm training right now. My interest is always a better, more fun FFO.

Also, this is not relevant to the idea. ;o

Just cause you said it, it don't make it true.

Also we already have a better, more fun FFO. And Gaku said since that one is receiving updates this one probably won't.

I still don't see how removing top tier gear really changes anything when it's nearly unobtainable because Garland is the ONLY source of items even near that caliber, in any class other than light armor.

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Killa wrote:

Also we already have a better, more fun FFO. And Gaku said since that one is receiving updates this one probably won't.

so......... why are you arguing the point......?

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I wasn't arguing though I was agreeing just asking some questions ;)

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Cea wrote:

Listen, bros. There's a reason. We have forever sought the balance of casual and hardcore. Hardcore players need to be rewarded, they are hardcore. But casual players can't have their game experience ruined because they work 14 hours a day fighting for your freedom. This. Is. The. Answer.

I totally disagree. The last four tiers are extremely rare and you sure as hell won't get them AT. ALL. (NEVER, Mid tier at BEST) from dragons, or even garland for that matter. I actually use full novice gear most of the time, the power is in the profs for a mage, where as, knights rely more on gear. I do see why this is more relevant to you because you have leather and we don't but you haven't seen it from our point of view; I'm "Hardcore" and I wear the most godawful crap that only a noob would wear in 3.5

I have a chronos. No power staff, no wizard staff. A chronos. A terror staff, just under it, is four tiers down I believe. And I seem to be doing pretty ok for myself, I mean I can handle myself in a two versus one, even with horribad novice gear. And don't get me wrong, it's suffixed novice gear, but it's low low tier stuff.


Also here's the bottom line. Your success should be down to the amount of time you're willing to spend. No matter how you cut it, no matter what excuse, people who 'no life' deserve to be much stronger than 'casuals'. I don't see how this is a problem. If anything your suggestion doesn't reward hardcore players. At all. Just casuals.

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Just to clarify, this is all of my gear that I carry and have ever used in any pvp fight/etc aside from what was in Tristram (Iron Nunchucks I train with and my Iron Maces). I have a handful of items in IGH that are too expensive to ever use and they're all Garland drops:

Bastian's Masterwork Titanium Gloves of the Vine
Bastian's Standard Bear Blight-Claw of the Feather
Bastian's Standard Silver Storm-Bracelet
Bastian's Standard Wizard Flood-Hat of the Wanderer
Bastian's Mediocre Steel Boots of Pacing
Bastian's Bear Bolt-Claw of the Wraith
Bastian's Fine Silver Boots of Haste
Bastian's Grand Freeze-Masamune
Bastian's Hand Axe of the Cheetah
Bastian's Short Ice-Sword of the Locust
Bastian's Standard Spiked Ice-Nunchuck of the Locust
Bastian's Grand Archwizard Slacks of the Mammoth
Bastian's Grand Warlord Blade of the Leech
Bastian's Standard Chain Mail Tunic of the Tiger
Bastian's Mediocre Steel Helmet of the Wanderer
Bastian's Gladiator Sandals of Speed
Bastian's Viking Leggings of the Tiger
Bastian's Masterwork Iron Demon-Bracelet
Bastian's Standard Bronze Gauntlets of the Wayfarer
Bastian's Fine Steel Bracer
Bastian's Masterwork Blood Freeze-Bracelet
Bastian's Flawless Cougar Necklace
Bastian's Standard Savage Flash-Tonfa of the Leech
Bastian's Masterwork Great Blaze-Knife
Bastian's Fine Steel Flood-Spear of the Locust
Bastian's Masterwork Titanium Shield
Bastian's Mediocre Conjuror Boots of Acceleration
Bastian's Fine Chain Mail Leggings of the Tiger
Bastian's Fine Bio-Mylthos of Ease
Bastian's Fine Iron Gauntlets of the Wayfarer
Bastian's Magnificent Viking Heal-Buckler of the Snail
Bastian's Standard Chain Mail Tunic of the Tiger
Bastian's Iron Venom-Mace of the Bat
Bastian's Standard Rune Crystal-Bracelet of the Wanderer
Bastian's Standard Bronze Bracer of the Wayfarer
Bastian's Standard Steel Helmet of the Vine
Bastian's Fine Chain Armor of the Wayfarer
Bastian's Flawless Strung Pincer

Now there's a couple Garland drops in there you'll notice, that I switch to once in a while, and this is the gear of what is presumably the single strongest 1-on-1 character on the server, (yeah, Ners loses to this guy 1 on 1).

So I'm assuming that puts me in your "no-life" category. Notice that I have 3 steel pieces and pretty much everything else is lower than that. Got a couple titanium pieces, found the shield at warped, gloves were a Garland I pk'd. Obviously the Archwizard Mammoths that dropped for I think Po, are from Garland etc.

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Cea wrote:

Listen, bros. There's a reason. We have forever sought the balance of casual and hardcore. Hardcore players need to be rewarded, they are hardcore. But casual players can't have their game experience ruined because they work 14 hours a day fighting for your freedom. This. Is. The. Answer.

So yeah, this suggestion STILL has nothing to do with who has what this hosting. And it has nothing to do with me "sucking" or "getting owned"

It's about FFO being better. Do you guys have anything actually relevant to the idea itself (this hosting excluded from your post).

Like to point out how hard I called this:
Cea wrote:

also if you come at me with "u only want this cea becuz i beat ur ass in the game lol" or any other sort of stupid non-contributing comment,

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Cea wrote:

Cea wrote:

Listen, bros. There's a reason. We have forever sought the balance of casual and hardcore. Hardcore players need to be rewarded, they are hardcore. But casual players can't have their game experience ruined because they work 14 hours a day fighting for your freedom. This. Is. The. Answer.

So yeah, this suggestion STILL has nothing to do with who has what this hosting. And it has nothing to do with me "sucking" or "getting owned"

It's about FFO being better. Do you guys have anything actually relevant to the idea itself (this hosting excluded from your post).

Like to point out how hard I called this:
Cea wrote:

also if you come at me with "u only want this cea becuz i beat ur ass in the game lol" or any other sort of stupid non-contributing comment,

I understand your "better FFO" perspective, I just completely don't understand how this would make FFO "better".

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reply to Cea:
I don't see how I was irrelevant. Also I'd like to point out if you don't want people to personally attack you, you can try to be less obnoxious in your posting; you're essentially baiting in your previous post. By the way I don't see how fighting for freedom in real life is at ALL relevant to a Byond game, the whole idea is it's a fantasy game where you can be someone you're not, I don't see how being a soldier/politician/anything should have any influence at all on how your video game character is.

Since my earlier post didn't seem to be understood I will put it another way; currently, noone has the top tier stuff. It's pretty much as your proposal is. Sure the top tier stuff exists, but it's too expensive to use. In my example I said I used a chronos staff; if you removed the top four tiers of items I'd still have a terror and things would still be pretty much the same and not some paragon of combat equality.

If mentioning the current hosting as an example somehow makes it moot and irrelevant I'd really like to know why.


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The tiers of the gear itself isn't the main problem, it's part of the main problem. The other huge problem I see is how "Killa's" list of gear has various good-to-great suffixes on respectable equipment. Those shouldn't be removed, but they need to be toned down to how they were before. I don't know why anyone would convince Gaku to fix what wasn't broken, since the game balanced itself out by having the highest tier elements and some of the highest tier suffixes borderline impossible to drop as well as the highest tier equipment, meaning every now and then someone would find an uber piece but it'd just be one random one and wouldn't be the sole factor in which kingdoms live and die.

No offense meant to you other two, but you have a skewed view on equipment. Chronos staff is amazing, wizards ending up with just a terror staff was fine enough for most PvPers and domain thrashers. I see you two posting about how your equipment isn't all that, but it's past the point where you need equipment to survive and is onto the point where the equipment is winning your battles. This is what Cea's driving at. For years, the way equipment and suffixes were handled, it was a little annoying finding better things that matched up properly with elements/suffixes to use, but that meant players were the deciding factor.

You don't even have to remove as much as Cea suggests. You could remove the best, second best, and beyond that delegate what's reasonable for each branch of equipment. But one thing that has to change is making the best available equipment much much rarer, back to normal levels. Whoever caused the change must've been thinking with his e-penis and didn't fully comprehend the entire effect of altering the whole system. This isn't a single-player game where near the end of the game you can keep jumping leaps of power and get all the best stuff.

The people that spend the most time will get the best stuff, but it should be hitting a reasonable cap. Having access to the best equipment in the game in any form (archwizard mammoth how is that even possible) clearly demonstrates that there is no cap. And pretty much means end-game, it all comes down to equipment.

tl;dr Remove or make super-rare odds of dropping the highest tier gear, suffixes, and elements, and overall reduce the quality of gear dropped so it isn't as game-changing.

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You realize the change made good gear RARER. I found good suffixed ****, yes. That doesn't make it easy. You may have missed it but that's the entire point... that's THE top knight's entire gearset. That represents the extreme top of what a knight has for this server.. and relevant to the past is very low. For the past few years EVERYONE has used Power/Moon(mostly)/Wizard staves, Chronos actually is low.

Sinsie you're understanding this backwards. Cea wants to increase the rate of finding gear like what I have, and remove higher stuff that at this point is nearly impossible to find anyway. Dragons drop pounce claws. I got a pounce claw from killing a 1200 hitting, 18k hp dragon. That pounce claw cost me 15k repairs. The ONLY source of items are pretty much champs, and Garland.

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Maybe we should realize that Allowance made us choose between a terribly boring grind for good profs, or easier proffing in general than experience, and because experience was slower but funner, the boring grind for profs failed. So we went to easier proffing.. and have a prof cap of 77. Maybe you should consider that prof 60-70 skills are stupid strong, and never used to exist more than very rarely in the past.

The reason balance is broken has nothing to do with gear.

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Yeah I was around when those staves were available. I was part of the dragon-poaching teams. They were giving overpowering gear and we were taking advantage. Don't bring up a point out of context to a guy that was literally right there.

I guess you also missed "Shops are restored to their prior status (tier 5 gear is possible and not-so-hard to get). Prices of gear are restored to their prior status (a GK doesn't cost 10000 gold a swing)."

Step up your game kid.

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Sinsie wrote:

Yeah I was around when those staves were available. I was part of the dragon-poaching teams. They were giving overpowering gear and we were taking advantage. Don't bring up a point out of context to a guy that was literally right there.

I guess you also missed "Shops are restored to their prior status (tier 5 gear is possible and not-so-hard to get). Prices of gear are restored to their prior status (a GK doesn't cost 10000 gold a swing)."

Step up your game kid.

"Kid," Cea is suggesting that, not saying that's how it is. I pay 150g a swing with my GK. Prices are huge right now. He wants easier stuff like what I have and thinks that would be balanced. The point is I don't have the god gear I supposedly do, and I still dominate so I'm not sure what your point is if you're agreeing with me but trying to argue. This server is already what you described. Good gear is very hard to find.

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reply to Sinsie:

The archwizard mammoths are not only one of a kind, they're not even ours. I have not seen another mammoth to be perfectly honest. The only real problem is Garland being overpowered, because that's where we got it from.


I give an invitation to anyone to go up to irendi and kill dragons. Do it. They drop nothing. No, it's Highlands that is what's giving the good stuff, all those posts ages ago about how CHAMP BULLS WERE BEAAAAASSSSTTTT were completely wrong. Here's our trade secret;

We did Highlands all day and every day. We pretty much went out into our backyard and ran around, literally speaking. We find a champ snowman, we kill it, oh hey look; chronos staff, oak suffix...I'd say 75% of everything, and I mean everything we have is from Highlands. And none of you can get that stuff because you don't have Irendi Guardhouse. This is pretty stupid but it was that way before we took over it and discovered how ludicrously imbalanced it was.

Also you're right, Chronos is good, but not for us, not with the pinata of a zone we have behind our domain that even I admit is overpowered and retarded.

Let me just say, I never wanted Irendi to be the gold mine and for Vorgardia to be where all the little people stay little, we were on the bad side of it at the start of the wipe in fact, but that's the way the updates went, if anything really needs changing its balance between continents. Because he who controls IGH, controls the game. You could remove 2 tiers 4 tiers 6 tiers, Highlands has the drop points and gives its owners the best stuff contrary to what everyone says. I'm being brutally honest here.

All in all, what needs to be changed, is genuine fairness in zones, not sloppy "remove this and all will be ok".



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can you.... read?

I know Cea said that. That's why... quotation marks.

Just stick with your prof point and you'll be fine champ. Someone should make a topic/get Gaku to change that as well.

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