Oh really? We killed a dragon with 3 people.

When's the last time you saw a scan of the army units brah?
Army is OP.

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It is fair. Its in war.

And its not even really abusive. Its a creative and unique idea to deal with a problem at hand.

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Domain warfare is pvp, not pve.

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If you can bring a dragon along, well then I think you've earned the right to use it.

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These kind of arguments are why I don't post on the forum. Discussion is meaningless, because nobody will change their mind.

Creative? Yes. Abusive? Yes. The game was never intended to allow mobs to be dragged halfway across the world because players couldn't kill an army themselves.

The army is a problem too, but that doesn't make dragging dragons right.

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I think your forgetting the mages wouldn't hit nearly for that much and probably would fizzle a ton of the time seeing as I myself fizzle a lot on dragons with just an attack spell.

Also I don't think your factoring in the fact that the dragon melees for around 1200+ and is going to destroy the army along with the buildings.

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DeshTheWraith wrote:

I think your forgetting the mages wouldn't hit nearly for that much and probably would fizzle a ton of the time seeing as I myself fizzle a lot on dragons with just an attack spell.

Also I don't think your factoring in the fact that the dragon melees for around 1200+ and is going to destroy the army along with the buildings.

Hi I've seen dragon vs army.

Marcus himself can admit armies are the ones getting torn up.

And Dean's argument is **** as well.

Dragons one hit most people as if 3-20 people online would help vs. a dragon that one hits everyone trying to help. Not everyone is a capped WW with barrier.

And Locke made several good points as well.

But all this is meaningless, instead of arguing about something this stupid we should find a way to fix it.

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I like your idea for rangers and all, but wouldn't it be really simple and nice to just make mobs not be able to harm military units, guards, or domains?

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I am still against this. I really don't understand why every instance of strategy is blasted as 'abusvie'.

And people wonder why there is no good PvP anymore.

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Lumino wrote:

I am still against this. I really don't understand why every instance of strategy is blasted as 'abusvie'.

And people wonder why there is no good PvP anymore.

There was good PvP involving a prinny and several of your guys the other day and this is completely irrelevant to this topic..?

If you don't like the idea try and think of another one or something because the idea of mobs completely destroying a domain is whacked even if you won't admit it.

I am not completely for Locke's idea either because I feel mobs should be part of a strategy but not the ONLY means to do it.

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It comes back to the same argument. If you have people in the domain, the monsters attacking are not going to sack the domain because you will be able to target the people supporting the monsters. As Dean said, a Dragon alone would not destroy a town. A healed, Tempered, Refreshed, Fasted, Fogged etc Dragon would though.

It's basic RPG strategy, take out the support first and the offense fails. And if there aren't enough people living in the domain to defend it, well it sucks for that domain. I guess the attackers put more into taking it then you did into defending it.

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Lumino wrote:

I am still against this. I really don't understand why every instance of strategy is blasted as 'abusvie'.

And people wonder why there is no good PvP anymore.

Once again, its pvp, not pve.

Also, there's no good pvp anymore because you try to go after poorly defended domains that have little to no player defense or military by attacking with mobs.

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Sup guys. I'm the army.



Even the low level guards were hitting like 400's on level 99 mobs.

Throw into the mix the fact that you can not use status spells on army units and you have my point. The army is OP. Been saying this for the past hosting or three. I've posted this data before.

Also, armies have one attack mode, zerg rush.

Dealing with a full army can be bad enough. Dealing with a full army and PC citizens is ridiculous.

This totally segregates lower level characters from domain warfare.

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Hi I'm a dragon I get hurt like 20-50 and have 17k health and my melee can one hit mages and two hit rangers what's up

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Cea wrote:

Hi I'm a dragon I get hurt like 20-50 and have 17k health and my melee can one hit mages and two hit rangers what's up

Even the low level guards were hitting like 400's on level 99 mobs.

That included dragons.

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Cea wrote:

and have 17k health and my melee can one hit mages and two hit rangers what's up

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I agree on nerfing armies but not on dragging mobs being okay.

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Just to clarify, until they were all captains, the guards hit the frost dragon I spawned (normal level) for about 30-40 a hit. It countered with 1700 point melees and finished off units with ice spells. Ice 3 did 400 to an entire group of guards, which I'm not sure matters, but I'm just throwing the data out there.

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Yeah. Both ends need balancing.

Dragons can 1 shot army units.

Army units can 1 shot players.

Edit: I think maybe greatly reducing happiness in domains where people don't live would also help.

Happiness could determine how many units you may have.




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Go with Cea's suggestion to allow rangers to be set on walls in specified points to defend against mobs and reduce army power by a lot.

Or for a really quick and easy fix make it so mobs can't harm the domain, and reduce army strength by 50%. Also reduce army cost by 50%. Its a bit absurd.

This may not be the solution you all like, but its the easiest and most likely to get in. Think about it.

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