hypersama wrote:

WyrmDean wrote:

That's a ridiculous thing to say.

Then trade in some of your black wizards for ninjas.

Tell them yourself. I have one character I dedicate my time to. That's how most of my friends are.

Maybe you should train some more, experiment, eat your wheaties, etc.

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hypersama wrote:

Locke wrote:

Don't say that. Dean is the kind of guy who could find a way to make a bunch of ninjas a pain in the ass to fight and can convince his allies to go along with it.

That's exactly what I want.

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hypersama wrote:

Locke wrote:

Don't say that. Dean is the kind of guy who could find a way to make a bunch of ninjas a pain in the ass to fight and can convince his allies to go along with it.

That's exactly what I want.

You want to die repeatedly to vanished backstabs all over the place? Find everyone in your domain slaughtered by a bunch of Citizens all at once at random times?

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WyrmDean wrote:

hypersama wrote:

WyrmDean wrote:

That's a ridiculous thing to say.

Then trade in some of your black wizards for ninjas.

Tell them yourself. I have one character I dedicate my time to. That's how most of my friends are.

Maybe you should train some more, experiment, eat your wheaties, etc.

I would like to, but I'm currently not even all that valuable in PvE, because all I have that is relevant is damage. Less damage than any other class can put out. Ninja is a tough class to play and really, I wish they had more power early and less power later. When people tell me "ninjas are powerful", I can only assume it's after they have max prof vanish citizen backstab, the works. I'm not even close to that.

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ninjas are the best class on ffo. if your smart anyway.

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Ninjas aren't designed for direct combat. They're Rogues. They fight dirty. They filch, they steal, they confuse, and they ambush.

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Darlute wrote:

ninjas are the best class on ffo. if your smart anyway.

Come on dude. Even Lisa doesn't play her ninja any more. No they're not.

Locke wrote:

Ninjas aren't designed for direct combat. They're Rogues. They fight dirty. They filch, they steal, they confuse, and they ambush.

Yeah but, it's not like they can drop anyone before they can heal and then blast them to death with magic.

(Also they hit knights for like, 20)

I'm totally open to being proven wrong. I don't see any that plays a ninja or master that has even the slightest bit of success.

Also this topic was totally about ninjas needing higher strength because they have low damage and low stamina. I didn't want it to be about ninjas being bad.

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hypersama wrote:

Darlute wrote:

ninjas are the best class on ffo. if your smart anyway.

Come on dude. Even Lisa doesn't play her ninja any more. No they're not.

Locke wrote:

Ninjas aren't designed for direct combat. They're Rogues. They fight dirty. They filch, they steal, they confuse, and they ambush.

Yeah but, it's not like they can drop anyone before they can heal and then blast them to death with magic.

(Also they hit knights for like, 20)

I'm totally open to being proven wrong. I don't see any that plays a ninja or master that has even the slightest bit of success.

Also this topic was totally about ninjas needing higher strength because they have low damage and low stamina. I didn't want it to be about ninjas being bad.

My Ninja could run around with Hastes and two Wayfarers and recover stamina as fast as she lost it.

Maybe you're just doing it wrong.

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Shane wrote:

hypersama wrote:

Darlute wrote:

ninjas are the best class on ffo. if your smart anyway.

Come on dude. Even Lisa doesn't play her ninja any more. No they're not.

Locke wrote:

Ninjas aren't designed for direct combat. They're Rogues. They fight dirty. They filch, they steal, they confuse, and they ambush.

Yeah but, it's not like they can drop anyone before they can heal and then blast them to death with magic.

(Also they hit knights for like, 20)

I'm totally open to being proven wrong. I don't see any that plays a ninja or master that has even the slightest bit of success.

Also this topic was totally about ninjas needing higher strength because they have low damage and low stamina. I didn't want it to be about ninjas being bad.

My Ninja could run around with Hastes and two Wayfarers and recover stamina as fast as she lost it.

Maybe you're just doing it wrong.

Wayfarers. Exactly. I don't have ONE wayfarer, and the game shouldn't be balanced around chance drops. I haven't even seen a wayfarer drop in seventy-four hours of logged time. Not nearly as much as a lot of you, but three days is lot of time.

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I wasn't being cute either I was dead serious. oh the magic of smokebomb and the stupidity of ffo. It's been done before, smokebomb caused confusion and a ninja wiped a whole party of wizards just by smokebombing

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Smokebomb is super amazing and useful in every single PvP occasion. It may not net you PKs, but it will surely give your team the upper hand if they play it right. (and if the enemies don't expect it)

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Haze wrote:

Smokebomb is super amazing and useful in every single PvP occasion. It may not net you PKs, but it will surely give your team the upper hand if they play it right. (and if the enemies don't expect it)

Topic is about how ninja stamina should not be based on requiring two wayfarer pieces.

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hypersama wrote:

Shane wrote:

hypersama wrote:

Darlute wrote:

ninjas are the best class on ffo. if your smart anyway.

Come on dude. Even Lisa doesn't play her ninja any more. No they're not.

Locke wrote:

Ninjas aren't designed for direct combat. They're Rogues. They fight dirty. They filch, they steal, they confuse, and they ambush.

Yeah but, it's not like they can drop anyone before they can heal and then blast them to death with magic.

(Also they hit knights for like, 20)

I'm totally open to being proven wrong. I don't see any that plays a ninja or master that has even the slightest bit of success.

Also this topic was totally about ninjas needing higher strength because they have low damage and low stamina. I didn't want it to be about ninjas being bad.

My Ninja could run around with Hastes and two Wayfarers and recover stamina as fast as she lost it.

Maybe you're just doing it wrong.

Wayfarers. Exactly. I don't have ONE wayfarer, and the game shouldn't be balanced around chance drops. I haven't even seen a wayfarer drop in seventy-four hours of logged time. Not nearly as much as a lot of you, but three days is lot of time.

They pop up all the time in shops. That's where all of my characters get their Wayfarers.

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hypersama wrote:

Haze wrote:

Smokebomb is super amazing and useful in every single PvP occasion. It may not net you PKs, but it will surely give your team the upper hand if they play it right. (and if the enemies don't expect it)

Topic is about how ninja stamina should not be based on requiring two wayfarer pieces.

You're right.

Black Wizard stamina should not be based on five wayfarer pieces.

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hypersama wrote:

Haze wrote:

Smokebomb is super amazing and useful in every single PvP occasion. It may not net you PKs, but it will surely give your team the upper hand if they play it right. (and if the enemies don't expect it)

Topic is about how ninja stamina should not be based on requiring two wayfarer pieces.

Then... why'd you only mention ninja strength in the first post? =/

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Haze wrote:

hypersama wrote:

Haze wrote:

Smokebomb is super amazing and useful in every single PvP occasion. It may not net you PKs, but it will surely give your team the upper hand if they play it right. (and if the enemies don't expect it)

Topic is about how ninja stamina should not be based on requiring two wayfarer pieces.

Then... why'd you only mention ninja strength in the first post? =/

Strength has a direct affect on stamina. Pincers and Temper, which boost Str, also affect stamina.

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It doesn't make a huge difference though. And he was saying something about ninja doing less damage than a BW, which is true only if a BW buffs itself with Saber and Temper. Ninja are perfectly fine, you just have to know how to use the class sufficiently. Needing wayfarer gear is how every class is, though it may be worst on Ninja because of it's natural speed boost, you get 3 wayfarer and it's not a big deal.

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Haze wrote:

It doesn't make a huge difference though. And he was saying something about ninja doing less damage than a BW, which is true only if a BW buffs itself with Saber and Temper. Ninja are perfectly fine, you just have to know how to use the class sufficiently. Needing wayfarer gear is how every class is, though it may be worst on Ninja because of it's natural speed boost, you get 3 wayfarer and it's not a big deal.

He was comparing Ninja's melee damage to a Black Wizard's magic damage.

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hypersama wrote:

Currently, ninjas have such low strength that running around with just a few items and some gold will cause it to drop. This is with three wanderer pieces. Considering how low their damage is already (40% strength+60% dex on knives I've heard), I don't think it would be unreasonable for them to receive a small increase in strength. They really shouldn't be doing less melee damage than a black mage.

What?

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Shane wrote:

hypersama wrote:

Haze wrote:

Smokebomb is super amazing and useful in every single PvP occasion. It may not net you PKs, but it will surely give your team the upper hand if they play it right. (and if the enemies don't expect it)

Topic is about how ninja stamina should not be based on requiring two wayfarer pieces.

You're right.

Black Wizard stamina should not be based on five wayfarer pieces.

I agree. That's ridiculous. I already don't like stamina as a mechanic, but I know it won't go away. It should at least not be as cumbersome as it already can be. Also, shop camping is awful. Shop camping is anti-fun. You are not playing the game when you are shop camping.

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