Actually Letha is right, all icons get a circle on their icon when they are put in the game. It's just so alpha that you can't see. that's why all the icons in the archive have it.

I also agree to Ninjas getting their speed buff, lets buff them for once.

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My ninjas wearing Grand Sandals of Accelleration and im still slower than people that are in hastes

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Momo as the game is now with the speed cap ninjas speed caps with pacing, and is caught by every other melee class with haste. Than on top of that is caught with every wizzard class in speeds.

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Purespeed1806 wrote:

Momo as the game is now with the speed cap ninjas speed caps with pacing, and is caught by every other melee class with haste. Than on top of that is caught with every wizzard class in speeds.

This, there's no reason why you should be moving slower unless your stam is screwed.

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Iris wrote:

Grand Sandals of Accelleration

lmao

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I like the speedcap for ninjas, I used hwm hastes, I was able to focus less on speed suffixes of the expensive and more on higher tier hastes and I was perfectly able to keep up with people

Protip: get swiftness weapons teehee

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Problem with that is that mages can cast while moving. Sense all mages have speeds they are all as fast as a ninja. A good wizzard never has to be touched by a ninja with the status spells same movement speed and casting without stopping. Point blank a ninja's speed should'nt cap in pacing.

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i feel masters should be faster aswell, but not as fast as ninjas, it shouldnt be right if a BW is as fast as masters, and especially ninjas

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Ninjas are made to mess up knights, not so much mages

Also to pvp a mage use swarms of mobs in a skirmish

Its extremely effective in limiting their movement

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Rarity wrote:

Ninjas are made to mess up knights, not so much mages

Lolwut.

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Rarity wrote:

Ninjas are made to mess up knights, not so much mages

Also to pvp a mage use swarms of mobs in a skirmish

Its extremely effective in limiting their movement

So ummm how do you use a swarm on a mage to limit there movement when they are as fast or faster than said ninja.

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reply to Rarity:

As a mage I can't stop laughing at this.

It just limits the ninjas movement. Cause I'm gonna hold him in the swarm and let him get his ass whupped.

Or slow him.

Or sleep him.

Or confuse him.

Or ice bolt......

Or fast myself....



Swarms are to the mages advantage. I can nuke what's in my way and let the trailing pin the ninja....

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Each fight is a different situation, the problem you pointed out desh has more to do with OP status spells then ninjas speed

I'm just offering ideas, no need to laugh at em if they aren't that bright

On another note, let's give relleth of all people godspeed and watch him rape everything with his blunt fetish

Seems legit

Making ninjas stupid fast would result in nerfing them elsewhere, I personally never had a problem just mwing mages with a venom hissori of swiftness

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Lol I dont think you understand, any mage right now or anyone for that matter a ninja cant attack them if that person does not feel like fighting. Ninjas have no gap closers and are the same speed as everyone else, in shoes that are not hard to find. You cant attack them if they dont want to be attacked. Any mage that cant walk away from a ninja at this moment is doing it wrong.

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reply to Rarity:

The problem with status spells is that they can only be balanced with other status spells, not with the rest of the game. Status spells will always just be completely uselss or overpowered in the game.

Because of this, status spells will have to remain overpowered and something be done about the other issues, such as speed.

As someone who mained ninja and was "top of the world" for two hostings as it, you can believe me when I say this is an issue.

When you were "satisfied" with your ninja I'm assuming you mean two hostings ago when you mained ninja. That hosting was when majority of FFO couldn't handle the challenge of playing mages so they either played a melee or a weak mage (Melee Fantasy Online). At that time, I was easily able to dominate other melees with my ninja since few were a master and none were a master at my skill/gear level. Most of the mages were not a problem since, as I said, they couldn't handle the challenge of keeping up proficiencies to level up.

As for last hosting, everything was mostly the same, except some people eventually started to work on mages more and my ninja was more around "above average" by the time the world level cap was reached. Mages were able to run away at close to, if not the same speed as me while statusing me to hinder/stop my chase. Knights were able to run away from me at the same speed and my damage wasn't high enough to kill them with poison and bleed damage while bowing them as they ran although they could easily charge to me if I was escaping from a battle.

This was the biggest reason I stopped playing ninja much and switched to another class.

tl;dr version: Ignore Po he don't know what he's talking about xO!



As for how I'd solve this, I would make it so that ninja is at least slightly faster than other classes and maybe reduce some of their damage. In addition, the Sneaky Bastard Mode of ninja should be made useful again. To do this I suggest:
- Making disguises unable to be scried, as before
- Removing ninja from being unmasked upon death, but keeping the ability to be unmasked if both are in OW state
- Effectively pretenting (newbie) muling but increasing army strength a bit so that domains have clear advantages and their buildings are used as intended
- Disenchant being fixed or changed if Gaku insists it "works as intended"

The only reason for ninja to not be on par with knights and masters in terms of PvP is because of their utility and sneakybastard usage, which has been nerfed to hell as well as been easy to avoid if you know what you're doing (muling valuables on newbies).

If not this solution, I would be for just increasing ninja speed or adjusting speed cap and removing acceleration since Haze's arguement against making things too fast is very valid.

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Rarity wrote:

Each fight is a different situation, the problem you pointed out desh has more to do with OP status spells then ninjas speed

I'm just offering ideas, no need to laugh at em if they aren't that bright

On another note, let's give relleth of all people godspeed and watch him rape everything with his blunt fetish

Seems legit

Making ninjas stupid fast would result in nerfing them elsewhere, I personally never had a problem just mwing mages with a venom hissori of swiftness

In EVERY situation the mage has an advantage in a swarm. It's the nature of having to be in melee range to cause damage. The more stuff moving around the more stuff to block you off. Unless the mage is inexperienced and allows himself to get pinned in.

And status spells aren't OP. It's the only form of self-defense for squishy classes. Which are SUPPOSED to be slower than masters/ninjas. It's supposed to be their only way of fighting back. With speed like this its just a way to bully ninjas instead.

Relleth using blunts...i don't get how thats even relevant to this discussion...

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I only offered my suggestion and was proved wrong by mana valid points, in which I change my arguement in favor of giving ninjas a speedcap increase, however only for ninja imo, which I'm sure that was the intention

Gg for me? Lol

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reply to Rarity:

MANY VALID POINTS, derp

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Hoping we could at least get a response on this issue, for or against doesnt really matter. Just would be nice to know where we stand with the issue.

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I like the idea.

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