Make permachests only lootable once per character again. Make them always at max value again. Make it so they have a level requirement to loot, like level 25 or 30.

"You aren't strong enough to break the lock on this chest."

Or make their level dependent on the location of the permachest. Could add fewer chests in individual locations but have more spread out around the world.

Level requirement and spread out chests makes farming them not really a viable thing, since at that point you'd be leveling up another character. And that is fine.

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Why does everyone keep using "rewards for exploring" as a good reason to re-add permas? It's been the same map for years now, with minor changes here and there.

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DeshTheWraith wrote:

Why does everyone keep using "rewards for exploring" as a good reason to re-add permas? It's been the same map for years now, with minor changes here and there.

It encourages people to explore new areas and frequent other locations than just a steady training routine of the same thing. I think it adds a little bit of flavor is all. If they weren't dropping game breakingly OP items it really wouldn't be all that bad, and everyone could be happy.

@Exophus: The level idea isn't a bad idea either. I don't think it would be really absolutely necessary, especially with all the anti muling features in place now really though. Maybe make it so better chests with better loot have a higher level restriction?

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I agree that you could get a lot of gold.. but there are other ways to get much more gold. Yes, you could find very nice items sometimes... but the same goes for all of the other random loot drops. You can't say that everyone who collected perma-chests were consistently getting very good items.

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Nanie wrote:

DeshTheWraith wrote:

Why does everyone keep using "rewards for exploring" as a good reason to re-add permas? It's been the same map for years now, with minor changes here and there.

It encourages people to explore new areas and frequent other locations than just a steady training routine of the same thing. I think it adds a little bit of flavor is all. If they weren't dropping game breakingly OP items it really wouldn't be all that bad, and everyone could be happy.

@Exophus: The level idea isn't a bad idea either. I don't think it would be really absolutely necessary, especially with all the anti muling features in place now really though. Maybe make it so better chests with better loot have a higher level restriction?

You're trying to inject flavor into a raw, chewed up piece of gum that was once delicious but is now just an awkward piece of rubber you shouldn't swallow but just can't seem to spit out. It can pass the time chewing on it but is it really going to do anything for you? Most playing are just people that have played for the last 400 hostings. Permachests aren't going to make the game suddenly oh so rich with potential. Take it as it is bro.

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Hazedreamfreysaraboy

You're trying to inject flavor into a raw, chewed up piece of gum that was once delicious but is now just an awkward piece of rubber you shouldn't swallow but just can't seem to spit out. It can pass the time chewing on it but is it really going to do anything for you? Most playing are just people that have played for the last 400 hostings. Permachests aren't going to make the game suddenly oh so rich with potential. Take it as it is bro.

Agreed. Can't wait til I get meh paycheck so I can check out GW2. I'll just be playing LoL for the most part til then.

FFO used to be fun for me in terms of PVE because I love item hunt games(like Diablo), which is also why I liked permas, but after doing the same exact content for so many years it's just gotten stale. I love PVP in most games, but I prefer my PVP to take skill. This game, no matter what anyone says, takes VERY little skill in its PVP. There's hardly any counterplay to speak of and the combat system just isn't fast paced enough to make for exciting PVP. As a result, there are never any big plays or anything like that.

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Exophus wrote:
Agreed. Can't wait til I get meh paycheck so I can check out GW2. I'll just be playing LoL for the most part til then.

FFO used to be fun for me in terms of PVE because I love item hunt games(like Diablo), which is also why I liked permas, but after doing the same exact content for so many years it's just gotten stale. I love PVP in most games, but I prefer my PVP to take skill. This game, no matter what anyone says, takes VERY little skill in its PVP. There's hardly any counterplay to speak of and the combat system just isn't fast paced enough to make for exciting PVP. As a result, there are never any big plays or anything like that.

OHSHIT I PRIMED MY DARK3!

I'M SO FUCKIN' PRO RIGHT NOW GUYS

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Exo, when you get GW2 dude, let me know. Got a level 80 Guardian I can help you out some especially with WvsW.

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Hazedreamfreysaraboy wrote:

Nanie wrote:

DeshTheWraith wrote:

Why does everyone keep using "rewards for exploring" as a good reason to re-add permas? It's been the same map for years now, with minor changes here and there.

It encourages people to explore new areas and frequent other locations than just a steady training routine of the same thing. I think it adds a little bit of flavor is all. If they weren't dropping game breakingly OP items it really wouldn't be all that bad, and everyone could be happy.

@Exophus: The level idea isn't a bad idea either. I don't think it would be really absolutely necessary, especially with all the anti muling features in place now really though. Maybe make it so better chests with better loot have a higher level restriction?

You're trying to inject flavor into a raw, chewed up piece of gum that was once delicious but is now just an awkward piece of rubber you shouldn't swallow but just can't seem to spit out. It can pass the time chewing on it but is it really going to do anything for you? Most playing are just people that have played for the last 400 hostings. Permachests aren't going to make the game suddenly oh so rich with potential. Take it as it is bro.

Haze you literally do absolutley nothing but look at the forums all day and add your two cents

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DeshTheWraith wrote:

Why does everyone keep using "rewards for exploring" as a good reason to re-add permas? It's been the same map for years now, with minor changes here and there.

LOOLOL.

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I'm the guy (or at least one of the guys) that got permas removed. I myself had a ton of fun going around looting them but I realized it had been becoming a really unhealthy habit -- one of the most fucked up things FFO would do to your life is when you realized you were staying up ungodly late or getting up freakishly early or skipping out something important in the middle of the day to get that elusive semi-fresh perma that one time it maybe, MAYBE would have something okay in it and hadn't been looted by one of the 'gods of ffo' to make themselves even stronger

And that's the real gist of it, they were a way for the strongest to keep becoming even stronger with little effort, those annoying as hell white wizards like Ace who already had everything in the game but would keep getting them from the hardest areas and no one else even had a chance to get anything better than like 5k as they would do that very regularly. I'd rather monster drops/chests that you actually fight for be increased in value moreso if people are complaining about this again than see the permas added again. Unless they were re-added in such a way to make it more fair somehow, like some way to keep a single person from hogging them.

Also what Desh said.

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Moirai wrote:

Hazedreamfreysaraboy wrote:

Nanie wrote:

DeshTheWraith wrote:

Why does everyone keep using "rewards for exploring" as a good reason to re-add permas? It's been the same map for years now, with minor changes here and there.

It encourages people to explore new areas and frequent other locations than just a steady training routine of the same thing. I think it adds a little bit of flavor is all. If they weren't dropping game breakingly OP items it really wouldn't be all that bad, and everyone could be happy.

@Exophus: The level idea isn't a bad idea either. I don't think it would be really absolutely necessary, especially with all the anti muling features in place now really though. Maybe make it so better chests with better loot have a higher level restriction?

You're trying to inject flavor into a raw, chewed up piece of gum that was once delicious but is now just an awkward piece of rubber you shouldn't swallow but just can't seem to spit out. It can pass the time chewing on it but is it really going to do anything for you? Most playing are just people that have played for the last 400 hostings. Permachests aren't going to make the game suddenly oh so rich with potential. Take it as it is bro.

I have nothing productive to add to this topic so I'm going to very gently insult someone

I don't see how this has anything to do with what I said. Could you elaborate?

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If permas get added I call leam

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