I'm in favor of a third option.

Remove admins, take FFO down til Terulia is ready, so people can calm the hell down with the constant screaming and bickering and demanding updates for a game that will no longer be hosted come Terulia's release.

Nobody can complain about "bad admins" or anarchy when there's no game for them to be playing.

It also means all of Gaku's effort can go towards Terulia and its forum service when he's coding away.

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reply to Pkftw:

I am not saying the rules are not messed up. I actually just nominated myself for admin with the intentions of revamping the rules to be more consistent with how FFO works now, instead of just *****ing about how the admins suck right now. In the mean time, these rules are the rules, and unless we have anarchy set in, then they are the rules and should be abided. They are rules for a reason - not to make people think of how to avoid getting banned - but rather to remind people not to grief and be general assholes.

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I vote option 1.

Stop breaking the rules like a bunch of ****s and ruining the game for other players and you don't have a problem.

If it goes back to anarchy you'll just continue spam killing until the only people there WERE to kill have quit.

It's also worth mentioning that Gaku passed out a bunch of broken gear to you guys.

Of course you want option 2. It's your golden ticket to be huge tools with no consequences. You're really lucky that I'm just enforcing the rules because if I had it my way I'd ban you guys for good, delete your characters; therefore removing a giant chunk of cancer from FFO.

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Kumog wrote:

I'm in favor of a third option.

Remove admins, take FFO down til Terulia is ready, so people can calm the hell down with the constant screaming and bickering and demanding updates for a game that will no longer be hosted come Terulia's release.

Nobody can complain about "bad admins" or anarchy when there's no game for them to be playing.

It also means all of Gaku's effort can go towards Terulia and its forum service when he's coding away.

This times a thousand, especially since it seems Terulia is very close to a working 24/7 test server. Why keep hosting such a flawed game? Its going to ruin new player's opinions of Terulia before Terulia is even out.

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Locke wrote:

This times a thousand, especially since it seems Terulia is very close to a working 24/7 test server.

News to me.

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reply to WyrmDean:

I was judging by a topic where it seemed like that. I don't really know for sure or anything. :P

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whats ruining the players opinion is how lacking in balance the administration is. more people played when the game previously had anarchy anyways, we had just thought anarchy had gotten old and admins seemed to be the cure at the time, and thats not the case anymore. most of the issues regardig requiring administration are able to be delt with inside of the playerbase, gaku himself have stated something along those lines, its just no one is willing to be the bigger person. some of us feel a higher power isint neccesary, and some or us dont really get the chance to prove it because before people are willing to resolve issues at the lowest level possible, they go straight to the admins. the fact that poayers feel the need to, go straight to the admins only shows that those people wish nothing more than to abuse the system as a whole. it was not created so that person A hates person B so he does everything in his power to get him banned, it was created to help mediate problems among players. It stopped doing that a long time ago.

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What? You mean treat other people on the internet like equals and not like horrible monstrous mean poopy heads? Try to find some common ground so we can talk our way out of things without flinging **** around the room thus making a unbearable living condition for all involved?

WELL, frankly I'm appalled you would consider such in an online game.

Trolling aside. I'm all for respect and consideration and handling a problem myself. I would personally much rather deal with an issue on my own terms, but there are situations that call for more powerful measures of problem solving I.E. Moderation.

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reply to Guy:

Anarchy is a terrible concept unless you're the group that keeps everyone else from doing anything, which, given how you've acted in the past, you probably would be in...

Anarchy is dumb. I'd rather have things as they are now then have no moderation at all.

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Option 1 cause I love the idea of genuinely new players getting into this. When I can leave for a few months come back and see new players, I'll be happy. Right now its the same damn people with new names and icons.

Sick of seeing y'all I swear. Anarchy is fine for me, but eventually I'll get sick of kicking the same asses.



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Anarchy doesn't work everyone is stupid.

A little seasoning is better than no seasoning, even if you don't like the seasoning being used. At least new and other guests will see and taste the seasoning and know you care about the dish instead of just throwing it together and leaving it bland and ugly.

option1...

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Option 1. _________________________________________

First option

Anarchy is ***

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We got rid of anarchy for a reason (the community couldn't handle itself and one shining example is Letto getting PKed 20+ times in a row). How about, we discuss better ways for admins and the community to build trust, hmm? We could try the less hectic, more reasonable approach for once.

Such as, admins should always make a topic about bans they make, instead of letting it be optional and thus letting any admin that wants to get away with fraudulent bans. I already recommended this a ton, but if all of you agree that it should be a rule of procedure for our forum, there won't be anymore "miscommunication" or lack of communication, since we'll be forced to show all our information.

And, if people make topics about bans, the admins should share the proof in the topic so everyone quiets down and realizes the admin did well. Or not, and the ban's revoked because the admin was not doing his job appropriately.

This is how we should be doing things already, but I wasn't around that often this time and I guess I have to get involved with every single thing or else the others can't make it work. Fine.

Dean, you obviously can't be trusted with "if an admin sees it he can ban" since I've been getting way too many reports from people about faulty bans that amount to "Tyr cried wolf and I'm just banned what the hell", so start proving your ****. Forums don't get messy with all this back and forth over nothing, so something's up. I doubt you'll ever get removed because Gaku most likely wouldn't let it happen, but I'll make Darlute and Jeebs work and make sure stuff isn't just shadily getting passed by anymore so we don't have people actually considering going BACKWARDS in history.

Basically, everyone in this topic just agree that admins should go the extra (should be required) mile and prove their bans online if they can reasonably do so. Get screenshots or logs, share it with other admins in our private forum where we can judge it ourselves, and unless there's some secret we have to keep about our evidence, provide it to a topic full of concerned people that admins did wrong.

We don't need to go to extremes, we can just make simple changes that make everything better.

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If you really want to bring my integrity into question broski you should at least have an active presence.

I'm gonna keep enforcing the rules when people break them. I'm not going to archive proof of people breaking rules just so I can show people who know they broke the rules to begin with that their bans were warranted.

The only reason I've even HAD to ban people this hosting is because of spam killing. If it's going to be this big of an issue maybe it's time we start discussing handling this through coding rather than legislation.

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WyrmDean wrote:

If you really want to bring my integrity into question broski you should at least have an active presence.

I'm gonna keep enforcing the rules when people break them. I'm not going to archive proof of people breaking rules just so I can show people who know they broke the rules to begin with that their bans were warranted.

The only reason I've even HAD to ban people this hosting is because of spam killing. If it's going to be this big of an issue maybe it's time we start discussing handling this through coding rather than legislation.

How does active presence negate banning people for the wrong reasons? It doesn't.

You are going to post proof cause you're making things worse. Or else you're going to start seeing some consequences for it and proving you're unfit to be an admin anymore. But let's see what everyone else would say on this.

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Sinsie wrote:

WyrmDean wrote:

If you really want to bring my integrity into question broski you should at least have an active presence.

I'm gonna keep enforcing the rules when people break them. I'm not going to archive proof of people breaking rules just so I can show people who know they broke the rules to begin with that their bans were warranted.

The only reason I've even HAD to ban people this hosting is because of spam killing. If it's going to be this big of an issue maybe it's time we start discussing handling this through coding rather than legislation.

How does active presence negate banning people for the wrong reasons? It doesn't.

You are going to post proof cause you're making things worse. Or else you're going to start seeing some consequences for it and proving you're unfit to be an admin anymore. But let's see what everyone else would say on this.

I do show proof to the only other active admin quite often. That would be Jeebs. I also always inform Jeebs whenever I'm going to take administrative action. You can keep your threats and your groundless accusations to yourself.

They broke the rules and they got banned.

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reply to Sinsie:

I agree that admins should show proof to the public, so we know what's going on. Like you said, it would clear up a lot of this confusion and help build trust between the community and the admins.

On the other hand, in reference to all the complaints, keep in mind that this is FFO. Have you seen Reap's latest topic? He basically allowed himself to be suckered into something and it was, from my perspective at least, entirely his own fault.

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I kept suggesting what Sinsie said so I'm agreeing :P.

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