I went and read the rules, from what I see, it says that the DomainSay is unfiltered, and that flaming, profanity, harassment, and such is moderated at the discretion of the domain lord. (Although personal attacks and such are still subject to the rules)

DSay is still FFO ground, and subject to rules. Certain rules are left up to the Domain Lord, but the rest still apply. Respecting admins isn't written in the rules, but you should still do it.



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I want to see Gaku come on here and post that Locke has an equal amount of power as Gaku, meaning Locke can moderate everything on the game with the ability to ban for the smallest little ****.

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You know Locke, if you would actually man up to your mistakes, and admit you were wrong for banning them over nothing, then my respect along with others I'm sure would return. But as long as you start banning people because you feel insecure about your admin power, well, no one is gonna respect you as an admin. Even Lumino and Aries will changed their minds eventually.

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I'm not banning people because I'm "insecure about" my admin power. I'm not. If I was, I actually probably wouldn't ban anybody ever, or a lot less.

It also isn't because I was told I have no balls. I get flamed all the time, but when I specifically state not to do one simple little thing, I expect people to listen.

How many times have I repeated myself now?

Also, you might want to stop the "its dsay you can't moderate it" stuff. I'm not policing dsay, I just said not to do one simple little thing that was getting out of hand, and boom, I get three replies just asking for it as soon as I say that. If I can't moderate it, I'm sure Gaku would have said something when I told him exactly what I did. I banned people over something they said on dsay, so apparently, when it comes to certain things, I can moderate dsay.

Don't play with fire if you don't want to get burned. Also, your guys' argument is about as immature as one I've ever seen, so its really hard to even consider anything you guys say. I'm trying, but your approach reminds me of middle school.

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Locke wrote:

I'm not banning people because I'm "insecure about" my admin power. I'm not. If I was, I actually probably wouldn't ban anybody ever, or a lot less.

It also isn't because I was told I have no balls. I get flamed all the time, but when I specifically state not to do one simple little thing, I expect people to listen.

How many times have I repeated myself now?

Also, you might want to stop the "its dsay you can't moderate it" stuff. I'm not policing dsay, I just said not to do one simple little thing that was getting out of hand, and boom, I get three replies just asking for it as soon as I say that. If I can't moderate it, I'm sure Gaku would have said something when I told him exactly what I did. I banned people over something they said on dsay, so apparently, when it comes to certain things, I can moderate dsay.

Don't play with fire if you don't want to get burned. Also, your guys' argument is about as immature as one I've ever seen, so its really hard to even consider anything you guys say. I'm trying, but your approach reminds me of middle school.

thanks to admitting about you just testing your ban powers over one little thing! you know for a topic on domain say that was mild. stop proving urself wrong locke.

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Obviously you're insecure or something if you keep posting when you clearly stated twice now that you were going to stop posting. If you're so confident in yourself, you shouldn't need to defend yourself.

And, our argument isn't "immature". You just don't understand how logic works. You can't take jokes. And you're FFO's biggest douche bag. Congratulations.

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I'm not banning people because I'm "insecure about" my admin power. I'm not. If I was, I actually probably wouldn't ban anybody ever, or a lot less.

Why would it make any difference? You shouldn't show any signs of insecurity about anything.

It also isn't because I was told I have no balls. I get flamed all the time, but when I specifically state not to do one simple little thing, I expect people to listen.

Nobody even said you "didn't have balls" during that entire argument. How is that relevant?

How many times have I repeated myself now?

Over 9000, next question.

Also, you might want to stop the "its dsay you can't moderate it" stuff. I'm not policing dsay, I just said not to do one simple little thing that was getting out of hand, and boom, I get three replies just asking for it as soon as I say that. If I can't moderate it, I'm sure Gaku would have said something when I told him exactly what I did. I banned people over something they said on dsay, so apparently, when it comes to certain things, I can moderate dsay.

Fix the rules in that case and then come back with this argument. I've already stated that Rule 14 directly contradicts Rule 2. Deshawn even posted undeniable proof about it.

Don't play with fire if you don't want to get burned. Also, your guys' argument is about as immature as one I've ever seen, so its really hard to even consider anything you guys say. I'm trying, but your approach reminds me of middle school.

You keep calling us immature for our end of the argument. How is that? We've obviously stated several valid points that you refuse to believe, because you're insecure from the looks of it. What did I say about insecurity? Don't show it?

Also, you're banning people over the smallest little thing. Seriously, if you wanted to be legitimate about the bans, you should've used ASay instead of DSay to tell us to stop.

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Rules are subject to admin interpretation, there are no loopholes or conflictions. It's not a legal document, Gaku and Locke can interpret "crap" as filter dodging. They can interpret saying two things one after the other as spam. They can consider someone saying "God bless you" as a violation of Rule 7. Why? Because they're the admins, instead of *****ing to Locke, talk to Gaku about it.

Rule 14 supersedes all rules and policies when it's required, giving it absolute priority, because people tend to abuse each any every loophole they can find in the rules and game mechanics to be pricks (which is a violation of rules 2 and 8 in itself).

tl;dr: FFO is a dictatorship, not a democracy.

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If it's a dictatorship, then who's the dictator? Locke? Huh, coulda swore it was Gaku's game. Funny.

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Aries wrote:

Rules are subject to admin interpretation, there are no loopholes or conflictions. It's not a legal document, Gaku and Locke can interpret "crap" as filter dodging. They can interpret saying two things one after the other as spam. They can consider someone saying "God bless you" as a violation of Rule 7. Why? Because they're the admins, instead of *****ing to Locke, talk to Gaku about it.

Rule 14 supersedes all rules and policies when it's required, giving it absolute priority, because people tend to abuse each any every loophole they can find in the rules and game mechanics to be pricks (which is a violation of rules 2 and 8 in itself).

tl;dr: FFO is a dictatorship, not a democracy.

if that was the case then we dont need no rules. well locke to this logic, this game is to your interpertation cuz your admin.


oh wait... gaku is the big boss, so their are rules and locke has to follow him.

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Aries wrote:

Rules are subject to admin interpretation, there are no loopholes or conflictions. It's not a legal document, Gaku and Locke can interpret "crap" as filter dodging. They can interpret saying two things one after the other as spam. They can consider someone saying "God bless you" as a violation of Rule 7. Why? Because they're the admins, instead of *****ing to Locke, talk to Gaku about it.

Rule 14 supersedes all rules and policies when it's required, giving it absolute priority, because people tend to abuse each any every loophole they can find in the rules and game mechanics to be pricks (which is a violation of rules 2 and 8 in itself).

tl;dr: FFO is a dictatorship, not a democracy.

Okay, cool. So by what you're saying, We have 13 other rules.. then a 14th rule saying "**** you rules im da boss 'round here", meaning that the rules will contradict each other. This in itself is a loophole, except it benefits one person. The admin.

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everyone knows that rule 14 is pure bs. specially super duper bs when there is one admin! with 3 or 4 admins it might work, but with one admin who obviously is insecure about his admin stick, hell no.

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Okay, cool. So by what you're saying, We have 13 other rules.. then a 14th rule saying "**** you rules im da boss 'round here", meaning that the rules will contradict each other. This in itself is a loophole, except it benefits one person. The admin.

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See, this is why I hate the community and all I do anymore is post nonsense or troll. You can't apply sense to anything without including some kind of petty, retarded little personal insult into it and making yourself look like a grade-school dropout. Of course, this is what I should expect from BYOND's communities.

Edit: ESPECIALLY Haze, Cea, Stella, Aries, and Oondi.

Edit2: Yes I know I'm friends with Aries and Oondi but as their friend I'm still going to let them know when I think they're being stupid.

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Why would it make any difference? You shouldn't show any signs of insecurity about anything.


Nobody even said you "didn't have balls" during that entire argument. How is that relevant?



Over 9000, next question.


Fix the rules in that case and then come back with this argument. I've already stated that Rule 14 directly contradicts Rule 2. Deshawn even posted undeniable proof about it.

You keep calling us immature for our end of the argument. How is that? We've obviously stated several valid points that you refuse to believe, because you're insecure from the looks of it. What did I say about insecurity? Don't show it?

Also, you're banning people over the smallest little thing. Seriously, if you wanted to be legitimate about the bans, you should've used ASay instead of DSay to tell us to stop.

Considering the statement you're quoting says "It also isn't because I was told I have no balls. ", it doesn't have anything to do with that.

Over 9000, next question.

Cool, I'm totally taking you seriously.

Deshawn's post just points out rule 14 exists, nothing more. I don't need to change it, because it doesn't contradict anything. Its just a reminder that says "hey these are the rules, but that doesn't mean you can get away with anything not explicitly mentioned here." Honestly, that's pretty obvious and you should know anyway; I shouldn't even need that rule. It also has absolutely nothing to do with number of admins, so I have no clue where you guys are getting that.

You keep calling us immature for our end of the argument. How is that? We've obviously stated several valid points that you refuse to believe, because you're insecure from the looks of it. What did I say about insecurity? Don't show it?

Yes, you're immature. Look at what I've quoted. "You can't do this the rules don't say so!" "Over 9000!" You tried to say why is the balls thing relevant and the post you quoted specifically said that wasn't it at all. You tried to say Deshawn even says I'm wrong, yet all his post does is post a screenshot with a rule number circled. Most of your buddies (like Stella) keep using the same argument too. LP used caps lock a ton and wouldn't even stop bugging me while I was trying to go to bed at like 3am last night. Then he thinks pasting the entire conversation after he tried that "you're insecure" stuff is going to somehow validate him, and not make him look worse....when that log doesn't even dig up anything on me.

Grow up guys. Am I the only one responding seriously with counter arguments? For the love of god, even Haze is just repeating the same "its dsay you can't do that!!!!" stuff. Guess what? I can. I did. Get over it.

Also, you're banning people over the smallest little thing. Seriously, if you wanted to be legitimate about the bans, you should've used ASay instead of DSay to tell us to stop.

It pertained to just people in dsay, saying that in asay would have confused the rest of the game's population, it wasn't necessary at all. It is legitimate. I don't see anything that says its not. I gave my reasoning, I spelled it out bright and clear for you guys, but you're so blinded by rage that you can't even come up with good reasoning as to why I'm wrong. You just use the same argument in every single post, Stella just pulls stuff out of her ass, and Haze just repeats the same thing. In contrast, I quote and address everything you say with meaningful content.

Its not the smallest thing. I said don't do this, you did it. You're banned. End. Of. Story.

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Whatever I'm not replying anymore (although I may read up on what's said to keep updated).

I don't see any point in arguing anymore now considering Locke has abandoned all forms of logic and went with his insecurities.

I won't be playing FFO either, until a suitable admin replacement is taken care of.

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Whatever I'm not replying anymore (although I may read up on what's said to keep updated).

I don't see any point in arguing anymore now considering Locke has abandoned all forms of logic and went with his insecurities.

I won't be playing FFO either, until a suitable admin replacement is taken care of.

Cool, you do that. "I'm wrong so here's my parting shot I'm not playing until theres a replacement."

Yeah that totally helps you.

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1) Oondi your taking my post in the wrong context. It was to point out that logic doesn't apply here as Locke can officially ban you for whatever reason he wants. The only rule he needs to follow is Gaku. If Gaku says "don't" then he doesn't, the rules can always say "don't" except rule 14 which basically give Locke free reign. If you guys want to be unbanned I would apply go for reasoning with him on MSN.

"Hey man, it was all in good fun. Is all this REALLY necessary? I learned my lesson: don't joke with you about rules."

Try that, because anything else you say is pointless and doesn't carry any kind of weight over Locke's word.

2) Aries, go away gdi. Your not contributing anything but annoying ass "Locke is god, just bow down" arguments. I'm not even involved and it's pissing me off.

3) Haze, that's EXACTLY what the rules say. Don't you remember the huge discussion that came up when it was first posted on the old forums? I sure as hell do.

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Here's an example.

Rule A says that DSay is unfiltered, and it's controlled by the domain lord.

Rule Z says **** you Rule A, I'm in charge.

Thus, Rule A and Rule Z contradict each other. This is a bad thing, not a good thing. You guys talk like what I described was GOOD? Rules should not directly contradict each other. When there's a rule basically saying that you can do one thing then there's another rule that says you can't, that's when things go haywire like this.

Also, Locke, you read Oond's post wrong. He said over 9000 referring to the "How many times have I repeated this" question you asked.

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