Still, I thought we were just trying to make FFO playable again, instead of changing the game so much. But I guess, if Gaku is willing to do more altering of FFO besides minor bug issues in the future/before Terulia is out, it would be fine (but there WILL be things that won't work out right, however much we think they will).

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DeanaWarriorPrincess wrote:

Making it into a defensive skill or reducing its efficacy would put knights into their proper place.

The same sort of thing has been said about Red Wizards (able to use everything, but terribly), yet they can still rival (I didn't say match) a Black Wizard in magic, and pretty much none of them melee (even the ones that do, don't do it frequently).

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The difference is that a Master is basically squish-tastic and a Knight with good heavy gear can kill any Master simply because they have both defense and offense from prof/weapon/beef-up.

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reply to Dea:

RWs also have cure and more health than BWs. BWs can still do serious damage, and so can masters.

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Zerk/any other status spell -> Kill a RW

OP Damage and Defense -> Kill a Master.



EDIT: We should remove all icons again at the start of this hosting like the last one.

EDIT2: Can I get a icon zip folder from you Gaku so I can have past icons uploaded from the hosting? (Im an icon checker)

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so people what is the consensus?

lv cap or not?

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reply to Grameramera:

MEH, just put mw stronger to thieves, dont need revoke from all other classes

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Dea wrote:

Zerk/any other status spell -> Kill a RW

OP Damage and Defense -> Kill a Master.

Also, you shouldn't compare knights vs masters in battle one on one. As I see it, knights who specialize in defense have the upper hand against masters, masters with dex have the upper hand against ninjas, and ninjas with their agility have the upper hand against knights (and with their post CC level bonuses, they'll have that). The wizard classes are all magic basesd, but both RW and BW have statuses while BW does a bit more damage and RW has more health and cure.

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also, i prefer 2nd option, because peoples want 1, then they play.. get level 250, kill every monster with 1 hit, get bored.. and ffo finished, also, its stupid, its like, * WHO PLAY MORE ITS THE OPEST* make peoples have no life time, and if anyone come in middle of ffo, like some new people, will just say * wow, this sux, im just some weax guy on da world , too hard get stronger as they * and dont play, so i vote 2nd option!

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Bro no one will reach level 250 haha... Last time level cap was removed people were abusing Ancients and training an inf swarm of monsters 24/7 and if I recall correctly the highest guy was like 65 or was it 75...

But all i know was the level he was at was after like 2 milllion monsters and billions of experience haha

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Edan wrote:

reply to Grameramera:

MEH, just put mw stronger to thieves, dont need revoke from all other classes

Relle wrote:

However, you could give thief/ninja classes a buff to MW, if that is even possible.

I agree with ManBearPig.



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Cea wrote:

Bro no one will reach level 250 haha... Last time level cap was removed people were abusing Ancients and training an inf swarm of monsters 24/7 and if I recall correctly the highest guy was like 65 or was it 75...

But all i know was the level he was at was after like 2 milllion monsters and billions of experience haha

300% experience gains now though. Though ancients aren't in anymore it would be easy to get high levels. Also, wtb say experience. 8)

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Can we put the ancients in for and end game challenge please?

This is a serious request by the way.

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Beefup really does put knights over the top. I wasn't able to efficiently solo knights in PvP on my master until i could chakra for about 130 a use, which took a lot of cure points. Beef up as it is when combined with something like dual-hit puts knights on par with master damage and then if they proffed dual wielding they dont even need dual hit. It kind of obscene really.I really think beefup should be defensive.

As far as necklaces it kind of sucks that to be a melee class you -need-a good pincer to do any kind of real damage.I simply propose removing necklaces and upping stats on all classes a little with an additional strength increase on all classes or at least the melee classes or remove picners and up the strength on all classes or at least the melee classes.

Or up the strength on all classes or at least the melee classes and make pincers even-harder-to obtain.

EDIT: also if the ancients were put in as they were, I don't think you have any idea how "end game" they would be. The mobs that spawn with them would kill you in 1-2 hits easy, and the spells did well somewhere around mid 30k. And if you somehow manage to resist all their elements, kain and cecil will be more than happy to punch you in the teeth for about 15k.

Oh and as far as I know, no one ever beat the ancients in 3.5- i mean I did lose interent for like 6 months at the end of the server which kinda sucks but i know by the time I left there was speculation that with enough coordination the ancients could be beat though i know from firsthand experience previous attempts were hilariously unsuccessful. And I think the only person who ever killed an ancient was maybe zaltron because he was abusing firewall (again) with doors (again)

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im not sure what these ancients are that you speak of but if they give such good experience why not put them back in?

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Jtmoney85 wrote:

but if they give such good experience why not put them back in?

That is why.

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Can we have guns back?

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if your gonna mess with knights' beef up, then give them some sort of weaker cure spell. or mess with thirst so knights can drink more potions before they dont do **** at all.

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What are these ancients anyway? enlighten me oh wise all-knowing ones

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I was told they dont give experience.

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