Relle the Ice Prince wrote:

OH I GET IT.



HE GOT P3.

and i smoke weed....

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Shane wrote:

Antidotes take no thirst, cost no MP, and do a much better job at removing Poison unless you have a very high proficiency Pure.

brb lvl 47 pure

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reply to Your name here:

It still costs MP, and with your Staff it might actually cost more to cast Pure than buy an Antidote. ;)

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Alright.


Antidotes cost 50 gold if purchased at a shop, if memory serves (correct me if I am wrong). Pure has no cost, gold-wise; directly at least.

However, I noticed that Haste has a Moon Staff. From my own experience with a Moon Staff, they are generally anywhere from 5-10 gold per cast. Let's assume that his Moon Staff is Fine (so roughly 6 gold per cast). An Antidote will not fully remove poison if the poison tics are over ~20 (so Antidotes, from my experience, remove about 15-18 poison tics per use). Pure will remove more or less, depending on its prof.
Knowing Haste, I would estimate that his Pure is around the ballpark of 30-35; a Pure of this high proficiency would probably remove about 25-30 poison tics, which is much more of a poison-removal than antidotes, at a much lower cost (6 gold a cast, compared to 50 gold an Antidote).

HOWEVER, Pure costs mana. Again, taking the knowledge of my past experiences with mana-restoratives, certain costs are to be paid for mana. Tinctures cost 40 gold, Ethers cost 160 gold, and Hi-Ethers cost 640 gold. The average Wizard will be using Ethers most, if not all, the time (especially Red Wizards, considering that their mana pool is even lower now). Your average Ether will heal you about 100-130 mana (115 average), assuming your thirst is not terribly fucked over, at 140 gold a pop.
In Haste's picture, he is near full thirst, so initially one would use the 115 mana-per-Ether average. However, I noticed that he has a Cure-elemental (Pure, if I am correct) Crimson Buckler. On average, that will add about 15 more mana to an Ether's restoration, totalling for 130 average restoration per Ether. That's a little bit more than 1 gold for each mana point restored. Again, Haste is estimated to have a prof 30-35 Pure, which is around 5 mana per cast, which means that his Pure will be another 5 gold per cast, totaling in 11 gold per cast.
Using First Grade mathematics, 11 < 50.
Pure is more effective and cheaper than Antidotes in this generalization of Haste's scenario.

/tips his proverbial hat.

Now can we please get back to the god damned screenshots?

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WTB RageQuit Plz, i'm sick oand Tired of Getting PKed for no reason, just because i'm a week ass fucking Squisy Pussy! Cause i'm a Fucking Easy Target! That's it i've had enough. BTW, i Got NOT A GODDAMN FUCKING THING FROM GARLAND YOU MOTHER FUCKIN PK WHORES, HAVE FUN IN THIS FUCKIN GOD DAMN GAME!

Edit: And don't try to cube these fuckers, they'll just cast Confuse on you and let the mobs kill you. BTW, Did you know that if you hostile someone and they kill you that they won't be Cubed? he killed my Newbie BB twice by casting confuse on me and letting the wolves and imps kill me.
Edit: It was that Red Wizard, Alcids Knight, and Cea all togeather.

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I didn't touch ya jerk

I came to NB to get something and saw some commotion I hate youuu

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Letto after all this time you still don't understand FFO's mechanics.. =/

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Sin Ceaty wrote:

I didn't touch ya jerk

I came to NB to get something and saw some commotion I hate youuu

you didn't touch me but you were there with the Red mage though and you never done anything to stop it!

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reply to Lord Letto The 1st:

Pro tip: Don't call people wankers or more stupid than yourself (possibly the worst insult you said) among other insults, then proceed to ask them to help you with Garland then NOT expect them to take your items.

By the way, even NEW players know more about how the cube punishment system works than you do... You are beyond helping, and FFO will not be at a loss without you. That being said, good luck in the real world, and I hope you have more (than zero) common sense there than in FFO.

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Relleth wrote:

Alright.


Antidotes cost 50 gold if purchased at a shop, if memory serves (correct me if I am wrong). Pure has no cost, gold-wise; directly at least.

However, I noticed that Haste has a Moon Staff. From my own experience with a Moon Staff, they are generally anywhere from 5-10 gold per cast. Let's assume that his Moon Staff is Fine (so roughly 6 gold per cast). An Antidote will not fully remove poison if the poison tics are over ~20 (so Antidotes, from my experience, remove about 15-18 poison tics per use). Pure will remove more or less, depending on its prof.
Knowing Haste, I would estimate that his Pure is around the ballpark of 30-35; a Pure of this high proficiency would probably remove about 25-30 poison tics, which is much more of a poison-removal than antidotes, at a much lower cost (6 gold a cast, compared to 50 gold an Antidote).

HOWEVER, Pure costs mana. Again, taking the knowledge of my past experiences with mana-restoratives, certain costs are to be paid for mana. Tinctures cost 40 gold, Ethers cost 160 gold, and Hi-Ethers cost 640 gold. The average Wizard will be using Ethers most, if not all, the time (especially Red Wizards, considering that their mana pool is even lower now). Your average Ether will heal you about 100-130 mana (115 average), assuming your thirst is not terribly fucked over, at 140 gold a pop.
In Haste's picture, he is near full thirst, so initially one would use the 115 mana-per-Ether average. However, I noticed that he has a Cure-elemental (Pure, if I am correct) Crimson Buckler. On average, that will add about 15 more mana to an Ether's restoration, totalling for 130 average restoration per Ether. That's a little bit more than 1 gold for each mana point restored. Again, Haste is estimated to have a prof 30-35 Pure, which is around 5 mana per cast, which means that his Pure will be another 5 gold per cast, totaling in 11 gold per cast.
Using First Grade mathematics, 11 < 50.
Pure is more effective and cheaper than Antidotes in this generalization of Haste's scenario.

/tips his proverbial hat.

Now can we please get back to the god damned screenshots?

Unfortunately, good sir, you have made multiple mistakes in the analysis you have submitted. I played a White Wizard last server, so I feel a bit more confident in my understanding of Pure to be slightly different than what you proposed. First of all, I do agree that his Pure will be reducing poison tics far more powerfully than an Antidote alone: with his 40ish Pure at about 7 MP a pop, it will likely restore 30 to 40 tics of Poison. However, I disagree that Ethers will restore 100 to 130 MP per use. I feel that they average in a more distinct 90 to 125 MP at full thirst - an average of 108.

Similarly, while the Moon Staff may be around 6 gold per cast, there is also an Element on the Moon Staff that Haste owns - knowing Garland, it is most likely tier 3 or better, so it is at least a Moon Volt-Staff, which perhaps even has a suffix. Until Haste submits otherwise, I propose we regard it as such and estimate the repair costs at 8 gold per cast. Also, I am almost absolutely sure that Cure/Dark/Poison pieces affecting Mana items was removed long ago as it was abused to achieve Ether recovery from Green Waters. Finally, I can tell you that the Antidote restores poison tics to a much higher extent than you originally gave it credit - 15 to 25 is usually it's results, and 25 to 40 from a Carbonated Antidote.

Before we regard these numbers from a Mathematical standpoint, I would like to bring up something very simple to you: even Irendi with it's ridiculous poisoning mobs, the tics of Poison on a player is rarely going to surpass 25 unless fighting either a Dark Dragon or in PvP. Regarding Dragons, DDs are of little concern to most players and are rarely dealt with; in PvP poison tics are almost outright ignored with nothing done about them unless a dedicated healer is stationed, most likely during Domain Warfare. Because of this, Antidotes are a healthy alternative for a large majority of the time that the removal of poison tics is necessary; ini general PvE, it will either completely remove the poison or reduce it to the point of doing negligible damage.

For the very basic numbers, 108 MP costs 140 gold, or about 1.3 gold per MP on average. Haste's Pure very likely costs at least 7 MP for most purposes immediately curing the poison. This is roughly 9 gold per cast in regards of MP, and another 8 gold for the Staff. That is a base 17 gold. However, you also have to consider the result of the lost time using Pure. Because Pure costs both gold and MP at the same time,it costs more time than just an Antidote which only costs gold. The casted Pure is that much sooner the Ether will be needed to be used, which reduces thirst unlike the Antidote. The lost MP pre-Ether could be another element cast, which for high level Wizards would likely result in a small mob dead if they were in the area weak to their element, WWs being an exception because Light sucks. The time lost using the Ether also results in time lost waiting for thirst, which Antidotes do not effect, AND more damage to armor, which unlike staves will stack up REALLY quickly.

The basic numbers of 16 versus 50 does show Pure to be more effective, but Antidotes are far quicker in meeting time constraints which means less coated gold in other areas.

/makes sweeping metaphorical bow

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I died instantly.

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Pretty sure this is an FFO forum good try though >=O

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Sin Ceaty wrote:

Pretty sure this is an FFO forum good try though >=O

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Sin Ceaty wrote:

Pretty sure this is an FFO forum good try though >=O

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Haste is moon bolt of blundering fuck ya'll

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I bet none ya'll ever thought of this top secret jutsu to do death sludge solo ;O

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Sin Ceaty wrote:

this top secret jutsu

until today.

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Sin Ceaty wrote:

I bet none ya'll ever thought of this top secret jutsu to do death sludge solo ;O

Usually as a BW you should kill everything in like 3 seconds and be on your way though. =/

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I literally learned Lit 2 on the way there I was doing like 30 damage lmfao

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you two looked into that pure subject way more then it needed and cure equips do definatley give more potion and ether boost

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