We're pretty much dropping everything from FFO other than the basic engine of the game.

I'd personally like to see a heavy revision of the rules.
It'd be nice if rules were enforced equally upon all players.
It's pretty annoying to see so much selective rule enforcement.

Punishment for breaking certain rules should be the same to some degree and if you'd like to punish repeat offenders slightly harsher than normal you could have something like this.

Example:

-If you break rule 1 you get banned for 1 day.
-If you break rule 1 twice an additional three days are added.
-If you break rule 1 three times six days are added.
-If you break rule 1 four times nine days are added.

This would easily take care of repeat offenders.


I know some people think this is only geared towards trying to work around rules but that's really not it. I like things to be fair and that's pretty much the opposite of how things are in FFO. I'd like Terulia to be better than FFO because it deserves it.

I disagree with "lazy rules" where admins pretty much decide on if something is allowed or not on a whim.

That's like seeing someone spit on the ground and saying hey that's illegal now and you're gonna pay!



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I'll think about it, but I think the rules are pretty good as they are. They'll be adjusted as necessary when Terulia comes out.

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At any rate the idea is exponential punishment.

The main point of this thread was to bring up the fact that the rules aren't being enforced efficiently so either someone needs to do a better job or we need better rules to make things easier for Admins to enforce. By easier I do NOT mean making up a rule (as was done recently) where it can be decided on the fly whether or not something is okay.

Just like the game constantly grows from bugs being reported and suggestions being made, so too should the set of rules.

It's really not as hard as some people make it out to be.

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What is needed is an -actual- punishment, so they can honestly say "I'm not going to do that again."

If you want, I can list my idea where people are shitlisted until they do a certain task.

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Force them to post a written apology, fessing up to what they did and promising they'll never do it again.

The Admins review it, take into account past infractions, and if the apology is deemed sincere, the player is unbanned.

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You're still ignoring the fact that good rules have no don't have grey areas like some of ones we have now. There should be no need for a rule like #14.

You make a basic set of rules and enforce them properly.
If something unexpected happens that is not agreeable or not good for the community, you adapt the rules to fit whatever situations arise.

I believe Locke to be lazy which is why he always diverts to the argument "Dean just wants some concrete rules so he can break them" which makes no sense at all.

The way I see it, you either follow or a rule or you don't. There shouldn't be a grey area.

Terulia is like my baby. I want it to be perfect and I don't want it to shat up with all the problems of FFO.



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The reason you're accused of those things all the time is because you've been caught breaking the rules and then you try your hardest to rules-lawyer your way out of it, twisting and turning and altering your argument to get out of some tiny little wording loophole like a YuGiOh player.

If other people that haven't been known to do that shit were to agree with your sentiments, it might help your argument go across better.

In fact, aside from the purposefully nebulous Rule 14, all of the other rules, if you would take time to actually read them, are very straightforward. "Do not do this." "This will get you banned." "So will this."

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I believe Locke to be lazy which is why he always diverts to the argument "Dean just wants some concrete rules so he can break them" which makes no sense at all.

Did you read my responses to anyone else in that topic? I'm not lazy, that's just simply the only thing I need to say to someone that's tried to worm their way out of rulings as much as you have, simply because that exact, to-the-letter thing isn't in the rules.

Like Garral said, the rules are fine now. Rule 14 shouldn't be necessary, because the population should know anyway that we can moderate something we see that's not right even if its not explicit in the rules. However, the way this community complains, it seems listing it was necessary.

You really can't win. Instead of trying to change the rules, I'd try to change my playing style if I were you.

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I agree that most of the rules are pretty straightforward.
That leaves the question of why does the current administration have such a hard time enforcing them correctly?

Also, other than my macro incident, I follow the rules.
I've only been banned for an in game incident one other time for alleged bug abuse and that was because I was banned before having a chance to report it and said ban was lifted.

I just want fair treatment for everyone. Things need to stop being so situational.

I see lots of people get warnings for things other people are banned for. Not first time warnings either.


Edit: Deleted argumentative posts with childish admin as to not shit up the thread and go off topic.



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It is important for us to not have a concrete, set-in-stone rules system, because every situation is different. The written rules are guidelines players should follow. We have to go beyond them sometimes. We also have to handle each player on a case-by-case basis. In some situations, the same rule might be broken, but it could be on different terms, or a different situation. For example, if someone breaks a rule on accident or it is their first time ever breaking a rule, I'd let them off with possibly just a warning or a short ban. If its someone who hasn't broken that rule, but broken other ones in the past, or is generally a trouble-maker, or a long-time player who we know should know the rules, they'd get a more severe punishment.

There are a lot of factors involved, and new ones always crop up, hence why a set-in-stone system would not work very well. If you have some concern that someone is being moderated more unfairly than someone else, please, by all means, PM me, IM me, or even post it if you like.

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Give me examples of games with more strict rules where admins never step over them to moderate someone who needs to be.

Give me examples of where I've let people off with more than one warning where they don't deserve one or been unfair in the past.

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If you can't back up your claims don't make them.

Once again, it'd be cool if people could actually defend their points against me, instead of pulling stuff out of their ass and then backing down when I ask for evidence.

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I like how you deleted your posts. Nice.

Edit: Deleted argumentative posts with childish admin as to not shit up the thread and go off topic.

I guess I am childish for expecting someone to support their own arguments. I'm sorry, define what is not a childish argument, if you will. I'm pretty sure this is how debates work. You claim something, you back it up, simple is that.

I think you're the one who is childish for deleting your posts. :p

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If people weren't such assholes, these would be the rules.

Rule 1: Have fun.
Rule 2: Don't prevent others from having fun.
Rule 3: Respect all players.

But nooooo! People have to abuse everything. I have yet to see a mechanic get added to FFO without someone using it to ruin the game for everyone else.

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The ability to draw water from wells. .

During the closed testing, some people quickly found out that if you drew water from a well, it gave a message to everyone. And if you threw it, it gave a message as well.

Look through the Closed Testing forum sometime, and you'll find that one of my posts quotes this douchebaggery for several pages.

EDIT: Seems the multipage proving-a-point post was reduced, but fact remains, people abused drawing water from a fucking well.

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