Honestly tyrael, you were clearly mutli keying using tiplet's knight to try to grab your dc after having attacked us and died. You keep running back to try get YOUR OWN death chest using his key and die. The fourth time i decide to wait a second. You spawn and grab your own chest and you died. Honestly, I think I have a right to kill for my prize.

Stop crying to dean to ban people after you take your deaths.

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reply to Reap:

Cry more.

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reply to Shane:

Yep you'll make great admin material.

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Stealing is a hostile action.

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reply to Haze:

This.

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reply to Reap:

You know the rules. You were intentionally pushing them. That's reason enough for a ban; then, you make an accusatory thread making claims you can not prove.

I have said it thousands of times by now. The rules are not meant to be pushed. They are meant to remind you not to be a griefing asshole, and intentionally camping someone and spam-killing is no better than whatever you want to claim about them doing.

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I think this ban should be overturned, if Reap is guilty of spamkilling, then Tyrael is clearly guilty of abusing multikey status and should have it removed, regardless of whether or not his room-mate plays. If questions are asked, here's your answers. Tyrael was running around killing the **** out of everyone in Giant's Helm, whether he was provoked or not, I don't know, but I went to aid the people being assaulted. When we finally kill Tyrael, he then logs onto some black Knight character to try to get his deathchest, which we properly earned. By trying to collect his belongings, we viewed this as a hostile act, which lead to the total killage of this other knight character. He was indeed killed 4 times, but only after he tried to deny us what was then rightfully ours.

There have been cases of this in the past, and the person in reap's position was always found in the right. If Reap's ban isn't overturned, then maybe multikey exemptions should be eliminated entirely, since this is obviously going to become an issue.

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Sounds like the rule needs to be more clear about what constitutes hostile action. Since we have people like Dean and his friends constantly using the vagueness to their advantage, the game basically gets controlled by trolls.

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On that multikey note I would also like to point out that I was partying on my master helping some friends do some newbie quest Tyrs roomy happened to be in the party and low and behold guess who magically shows up in the place we were to kill me
There should be something against multikey usage if its gonna be used in that kind of way just saying

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Shane wrote:

reply to Reap:

You know the rules. You were intentionally pushing them. That's reason enough for a ban; then, you make an accusatory thread making claims you can not prove.

I have said it thousands of times by now. The rules are not meant to be pushed. They are meant to remind you not to be a griefing asshole, and intentionally camping someone and spam-killing is no better than whatever you want to claim about them doing.

How is waiting for tyrael's death chest pushing the rules? Its not my fault he walks around with an unengraved giants blade and ancient chuck. Whether he was multi-keying or it was his friend "josh" isn't that important. He kept running in intentionally waiting to grab tyrael's death chest and succeeding in grabbing it. He had no other purpose for being there as this was at the docks. If he wanted to train he would've left the screen and killed some monsters or go to gsh to apply for citizenship.

Its like if guy sits inside of the town during siege and keeps respawning so you can't plunder the town and then gets you banned for spam killing. Killing so I can get my loot isn't pushing the rules. Spawn killing someone seven times in argo is.

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I would kill someone that steal the chest too, if reap can prove that he was taking the chest, i think that the ban will be lifted.

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Stealing as a hostile action depends on what you consider the status of a person's death chest. While I don't know what went on in this case, I always thought that anything that a person leaves behind after death no longer becomes his property. This is supported by the fact that FFO allows you to engrave items you don't wish to drop, gluing them to your inventory no matter how many times you die.

Anything after that runs the risk of being forfeit.

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I can attest that we were indeed camping Tyrael's body waiting for drops, since we both knew he didn't have either his giant's blade or his ancient chuck engraved.

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If you have evidence of multi-key abuse send it to an admin.

I've seen no proof that Tim was in fact on both characters earlier. I was told that it was his roommate on the other character and he does in fact have a roommate who plays which is why he has key exemption.


As far as hostile actions go, going to pray for someone and possibly grab their death chest is not a hostile action.

A hostile action is defined as an attack of some sort (this includes hostile skills/spells).

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Then the rules need to be reworked, because stealing a deathchest is still stealing.

EDIT
were the proper channels for this ban even used? did you even consult the other admins as per your job? where's the posted screenshots?

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reply to Reap:

The possible contents of the death chest does not matter much. You killed him more than three times.

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reply to PcP:

"stealing a deathchest is still stealing"

I have always been of the idea that a death chest has no property. The reward of a PK is the extra experience from the PK.

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I wasnt aware that what constitues multikey abuse but it seems to me that being able to use a multikey to find someone and go kill them would constitue abuse but no I did not screen shot it at the time so Meh just saying though.. seems unfair advantage that no other players can have which in my eyes kinda defines abuse in a wayor cheating rather

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Shane wrote:

reply to Reap:

The possible contents of the death chest does not matter much. You killed him more than three times.

The contents obviously mattered a lot to tyrael if it was worth taking four deaths. I don't see why this requires so much controversy. The man came to vorgardia repetitively waiting for tyrael's death chest when we obviously wanted it. There were hundreds of different options to take, but he chose to steal our reward for killing tyrael. I only wish some of you guys would stop thinking about this form the point of defending tyrael and think about the situation itself.

Also dean why isn't stealing a death chest a hostile action? Because you say it isn't?

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Example:

You're in a party with Tippy and Tim is on one of his characters and then gets on one of Tippy's characters and plays them both at the same time.

= Abuse


If Tim is just playing Tippy's characters though while Tippy is one Tyr's Key, one of his own keys, or anyone elses key, it's not technically abuse.

People key-share a ridiculous amount.

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