I would post a long suggestion of why...And I will. But as of now, I want the community, to actually think long and hard on this topic.

Don't be bandwagoning. Just because those people are helping you, defend your domain. Train with you, all that other good shit...Don't choose sides. This is a topic where the game needs balanced.

GO!!!!

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Tl;dr: Keep an open mind for nerfing whatever Black loses to.

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yea, a HIGH PROF confuse can kinda suck, but thats IF YOUR NOT HIT a few(anzus only lasts 3 hits on me fresh) hits and your out of it, zerk lasts longer while being attacked

tl;dr personal problem

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You must be Gale, Hi. My name is Blax.

This topic is about you, and I'll be happy to explain.

Let's play a lil game here. Let's play COMPARE AND CONTRAST.

What are the Benefits of being Zerked? The good thing for a Black mage is the Black Mage can keep attacking while the player he's attacking cannot pot. But at the same time, the player he Zerked has controll of where he/she is moving to. If that's running back to town, or running to him/her party, you still have full access of the controlling. Same with Fear.

Fear: Same exactly thing as I stated up there, but only can't see when he/she is not scared anymore (feared). You can move run go back to party, run to town get protected by guards/army. etc.

Confuse: Not that Po added it should do "1" damage. Lul wut. But it should be nerfed. I tested this and counted also...With half of ArchWiz and Sage clothing/gear. My level 40 Zerk only last 7-8 seconds. Same with Fear, it last the same exact time. Confuse on the other hand last 20-25 seconds and you run around ridiculously. You can't control yourself, you can't pot, you can't even attack anything and or Cast. Which in my opinion sucks because on the game, if you're confused you atleast still use your magic. Even if you're casting on a party because you're confused. You atleast cast your skill not just melee away, but anyway. I'm saying the same time limit should be put in Confuse just like it is on Fear and Zerk. Same with Sleep, but that's another topic.

Edit: Also when I mean game...I meant any other RPG gameboy gamecube, all those games that have final fantasy is allowed to cast. there maybe errors on my spelling or use of wrong words but i'm only human.

My name is King Blax, and I approve of this message.

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Legendary Blax wrote:

You must be Gale, Hi. My name is Blax.

This topic is about you, and I'll be happy to explain.

Let's play a lil game here. Let's play COMPARE AND CONTRAST.

What are the Benefits of being Zerked? The good thing for a Black mage is the Black Mage can keep attacking while the player he's attacking cannot pot. But at the same time, the player he Zerked has controll of where he/she is moving to. If that's running back to town, or running to him/her party, you still have full access of the controlling. Same with Fear.

Fear: Same exactly thing as I stated up there, but only can't see when he/she is not scared anymore (feared). You can move run go back to party, run to town get protected by guards/army. etc.

Confuse: Not that Po added it should do "1" damage. Lul wut. But it should be nerfed. I tested this and counted also...With half of ArchWiz and Sage clothing/gear. My level 40 Zerk only last 7-8 seconds. Same with Fear, it last the same exact time. Confuse on the other hand last 20-25 seconds and you run around ridiculously. You can't control yourself, you can't pot, you can't even attack anything and or Cast. Which in my opinion sucks because on the game, if you're confused you atleast still use your magic. Even if you're casting on a party because you're confused. You atleast cast your skill not just melee away, but anyway. I'm saying the same time limit should be put in Confuse just like it is on Fear and Zerk. Same with Sleep, but that's another topic.

My name is King Blax, and I approve of this message.

lets read over

oh wait, so much Q.Q

confuse lasts long IF NOT HIT and if your not being hit THEN WHY ARE YOU CRYING

and WHY should sleep have such a low timer? it will be as useless as hold then since it is only second in recoil to hold, and become completely useless

and once again, sleep only lasts IF NOT HIT

so lets run through this ONE MORE TIME FOR YOU

got confused? HAVE SOMEONE SMACK YOU OUT OF IT

or...or maybe, your butt buddy blace can i dunno, use esuna!?

there are ways to break it quicker then normal, and if hit confuse lasts almost none at all since hits will break it

tl;dr personal problem 2

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In addition to all the NOPE Black just recieved, I'd like to add that you can indeed cast while confused. You cast a random spell at the closest enemy mob/player.

Edit: Also, in those FF games you mention, confuse usually gives a chance to do the action you want, and a greater chance of hitting yourself. Hitting yourself would be silly because it makes your confuse wear off faster in FFO while it doesn't in those FF games.

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adding onto void

you will not cast if there is an enemy mob next to you, or you will melee it in confusion, juuust sayin

but otherwise, yea you can cast freely in confuse, just, you might temper an enemy or something

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reply to Rarity:

I love it, you're a smart 1. I love how you make it seem soo simply, yet thrilling. I also love how you are bandwagoning what I just said don't do. Just because he/she is helping you maintain your domain.

Back to my point. Someone (you) Said with his Confuse being high, it takes 3 hits for someone to be knocked out of confuse? In 3 hits, with zerk, that person would've been out of zerk by the 2nd attack. Therefore, once again, confuse is highly powerful (broken) then Zerk.

Hence: You notice when a spell is broken or OP people attend on switching to them? For instance, from Chain Lit to Fire wall from Fire wall to Sleep, from Sleep to Confuse, it's a trend of all getting balanced. If something is balanced, they know that out of the other ele's nobody used it has to be a way they are not balanced. And in this case Chain Lit and Confuse are those elements.

Someone other then Po or Gale comment on this because I know they don't want to see their members fall from a balanced status. I'm just saying.

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reply to Legendary Blax:

Ah, it's good to see the old "If I ask people to be unbias in my opening post, I can call them bias and to leave my thread whenever they disagree with me!" again.

That aside, Zerk lasts a good 15-30 seconds, depending on prof, on those not in mage gear, making it still a deadly status spell. About 500 damage on a confused melee will break confuse and allow them to potion immediately to recover that damage.

Hence: You notice when Black loses to something, he calles it OP and asks for nerf. For instance, all three characters I beat him with.

Someone other than Black comment on this because I know he doesn't want to see his chance at nerfing the enemy again disappear. I'm just saying.

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reply to Legendary Blax:

I can see what you mean while you were stating that Confuse and Sleep have longer timers then other status spells, such as zerk. However, the longer timers of the two balance out with zerk due to both Confuse and Sleep wearing off in three ways opposed to zerk's two. Sleep and Confuse both are removable with physical contact (even if said contact is a hit with a rock or bleeding from Mortal Wound) which is a unique characteristic among all of the status spells. With that being said, it wears off the two ways a normal status spell would be lifted: The timer running out and being Esuna'd.

You can see why this would balance out the two spells since, again, they are the only spells that can be alleviated with being hit though none of the other spells wear off in such a manour.

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Let this thread be open only for 1-2 days. If we all as a community don't think it should. Fine, I'll bite my tongue if we can find compromising and agree with what I'm saying....We can debate what should happen.


Other then that, I won't post anything that will consider confuse being nerfed. I will only agree and or disagree. I won't bring examples or any of that good stuff on this thread. As of NAO.

As of King Blax, he disapprove of this message! :]

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reply to Legendary Blax:

You can leave this open forever, it won't make a difference.

The reason you won't post anything more is because you have no more bullshit to pull out of your ass. You will only agree or disagree because that's the most you can do. There has been 12 minutes between this post and the previous one, make whatever excuse you want but you've been actively reading and replying instantly to each of the other ones for the past hour and that was all you could come up with.

Give it up, trying to get things nerfed for your own benefit is a lost cause. Additionally, trying to balance anything minor like that in FFO anymore is a lost cause (Inb4 trying to quote this as "admitting it's unbalanced", because that is not the case).

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reply to Void:

Actually, the reason I left it alone is it's more you guys then me. This game is based off of sides...You have my side, and you have your side. Also had to take Blace to work. Just saying.

Your side has atleast 7-8 people on. I only have 4 the most. Therefore, if they were to come on here to tell you the exact same thing I was saying, it would get out numbered quit. You saying I "attend on nerfing shit for my benefits" is completely wrong. But that's your opinion and by common sense, You are entitled to your own opinion.

Just Like I am with mine. But at the same time, my opinion is a fact. But eh, I guess. :}

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The main problem with confuse is that it got buffed to last through hits and wait for you to take damage. It ALSO is the only status spell remaining that fucks up your movement. If it was still directly based on hits then that might not be a problem.

If you want to say that I'm wrong, explain why I took 6-7 hits even before you poisened me. Before Army mages killed me and I had like 400 hp left. And yet, when I died, it still didn't say. "You are no longer Confused"

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The thing about non-mage gear wizards is that status spells last as long on them as melee characters.

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You unequip Maoi's Fine Crimson Leggings of the Jackal.
You unequip Maoi's Standard Copper Boots of Speed.
You unequip Maoi's Mediocre Fur Pure-Gloves of Ease.
You unequip Maoi's Grand Archwizard Escutcheon.
You unequip Maoi's Masterwork Conjuror Tunic of the Snake.
You unequip Maoi's Shaman Cloak of the Vine.
You unequip Maoi's Crimson Remedy-Hat.
You unequip Maoi's Standard Wizard Remedy-Bracelet of the Wanderer.
WW drops Apprentice Staff.
You unequip Maoi's Fine Conjuror Pure-Bracelet.


my gear, also, i ACCIDENTALLY deleted my last post

and in that much cure gear, p1 broke it in 2 casts, after taking it off


Maoi says: Conf and p1.
rw says: With THAT MUCH CURE GEAR.
Maoi says: Or.
rw says: Poison still broke it.
Maoi says: Something that wont kill me.
rw says: In two casts.
rw casts Confuse on you!
You are confused!
Sai domain says: Eh?
rw casts Poison on you!
You are no longer confused!
rw casts Poison on you!
Maoi says: Done.
rw casts Cure on you!
rw says: One?
Maoi says: First cast.

one cast while naked to break it

where is this OP?




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PROOF OR NO REAL!

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Sai_Pimp wrote:

If you want to say that I'm wrong, explain why I took 6-7 hits even before you poisened me. Before Army mages killed me and I had like 400 hp left. And yet, when I died, it still didn't say. "You are no longer Confused"

Legendary Blax wrote:

PROOF OR NO REAL!

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Void wrote:

Sai_Pimp wrote:

If you want to say that I'm wrong, explain why I took 6-7 hits even before you poisened me. Before Army mages killed me and I had like 400 hp left. And yet, when I died, it still didn't say. "You are no longer Confused"

Legendary Blax wrote:

PROOF OR NO REAL!

Contradicting yourself....This thread is obviously not what you suited up for.

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What I want to know is why ya'lls are making your argument assuming I'm not using mage gear.. FYI I was using archwiz for that fight.

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