Same could be said for hwhips.

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Wait.. who said whips were gonna be nerfed?

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Not whips in general, but I'm pretty sure scorp tails are getting nerfed.

Whips in gen have ****ty dmg. Yes, even slayers.

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I disagree. Knights are hard enough to play without utilizing Tonfa/Mynizuki/Flavor of the Month weapon here. Two handed swords are what they are supposed to be, slow and strong weapons. They are fun, and actually make Knight's useful and dangerous. Plus the loss of a shield makes a HUGE difference and you know it Dean. When I put aside my Steel Tower my survivability drops like a rock.

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I dunno about that putting the shield aside thing. Even on my RW (who uses a blackheig, and Staff/Shield) survives extremely well without the shield since heavy armor has a shielding effect. As long as I keep my shielding decently proffed he never has any real trouble staying alive.

Granted he does have cure, but a knight with even one half-decent healer should be fine generally.

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my spells range from 250-400 and im a RW how is a knight supposed to compete with thta? And the only time ive been dealt more than 300 dmg from a knight with a 2 hander is with beefup+full screen charge.

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Enigma wrote:

my spells range from 250-400 and im a RW how is a knight supposed to compete with thta? And the only time ive been dealt more than 300 dmg from a knight with a 2 hander is with beefup+full screen charge.

be right back getting my wraith knife.

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Aries wrote:

Enigma wrote:

my spells range from 250-400 and im a RW how is a knight supposed to compete with thta? And the only time ive been dealt more than 300 dmg from a knight with a 2 hander is with beefup+full screen charge.

be right back getting my wraith knife.

Yeah okay the best I can do is stalemate enigma until hes like "god my armor cant take this screw anymore DRAW DRAW CALL IT A DRAW". I've got a wraith cheetah combo im throwing in his face and stacking up massive poison tics. but those goddamn ****ing 500 point cures, even amidst the mana screw, are just too dame much to keep up with. Im sure if I gave it 30 minutes and he didnt just up and runoft I could kill him. You pull it off and ill give you a cookie.

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lordphoenix wrote:

Aries wrote:

Enigma wrote:

my spells range from 250-400 and im a RW how is a knight supposed to compete with thta? And the only time ive been dealt more than 300 dmg from a knight with a 2 hander is with beefup+full screen charge.

be right back getting my wraith knife.

Yeah okay the best I can do is stalemate enigma until hes like "god my armor cant take this screw anymore DRAW DRAW CALL IT A DRAW". I've got a wraith cheetah combo im throwing in his face and stacking up massive poison tics. but those goddamn ****ing 500 point cures, even amidst the mana screw, are just too dame much to keep up with. Im sure if I gave it 30 minutes and he didnt just up and runoft I could kill him. You pull it off and ill give you a cookie.

Wait for thirst to kick in, wraiths drain via a % of their max mana. Keep the pressure up, *****!

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Enigma will have you dead long before thirst becomes a problem. RW's have low mana gains, I doubt a hi-ether will be unable to cover his mana needs.

Not to mention, I doubt you can deal anywhere near the damage output LP has. And against Enigma, you'd better have either a good magic spell or insanely high melee damage.

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Let me say this.

This hosting myself and Zen, when capped, RSed Dana at the same time, both using good 2 handers and high prof blade. I know I was using my Blackheig, dunno what Zen had (Maybe it was a Mylthos?).

In any event, Dana was able to out cure two knights RSing her and keep from dying, with no heavy armor.

Yeah Two handed swords might be broken, but they ain't the only thing. Fixing one and not everything else will just make all the other flaws that much worse.

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2 handed swords aren't even broken or op'd.

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DeshTheWraith wrote:

Enigma will have you dead long before thirst becomes a problem. RW's have low mana gains, I doubt a hi-ether will be unable to cover his mana needs.

Not to mention, I doubt you can deal anywhere near the damage output LP has. And against Enigma, you'd better have either a good magic spell or insanely high melee damage.

I don't think he realizes how badly I plow enigmas mana with wraithcheetah. Still takes ages.

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vampire/wraith is even more nuts. 12.5% of their total every attack on tonfas which are relatively quick = ****ed mana quick

against mages i get like 18 a turn if both weapons hit

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Two handed swords and certain spells when proffed high and coupled with the correct gear are dealing out the same kind of damage that wound up getting guns removed from the game. /thanks

That's the whole point I was going for.

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Dean wrote:

Two handed swords and certain spells when proffed high and coupled with the correct gear are dealing out the same kind of damage that wound up getting guns removed from the game. /thanks

That's the whole point I was going for.

Spells require a lot more of an investment then the gun trick did.

Similar could be said of Swords as well, also they lack the range guns had.

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Lumino wrote:

Dean wrote:

Two handed swords and certain spells when proffed high and coupled with the correct gear are dealing out the same kind of damage that wound up getting guns removed from the game. /thanks

That's the whole point I was going for.

Spells require a lot more of an investment then the gun trick did.

Similar could be said of Swords as well, also they lack the range guns had.

Hi. I'm Charge. I do more damage the further away my opponent is and have more range than tier 1 spells. Nice2MeetU

Also, the investment thing is irrelevant. There were classes using guns even though they were a pain to prof. Just because something is hard to achieve, doesn't mean it's okay.

Should ANY attack really be dealing over 400 a hit in pvp?

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maybe we should a be capped at 20 and run around with no armor or weapons.....there now the ****ing game is balanced

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Stat wrote:

maybe we should a be capped at 20 and run around with no armor or weapons.....there now the ****ing game is balanced

black belts would be super op

and mages.

thieves and knights would be gimp

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Dean wrote:

Lumino wrote:

Dean wrote:

Two handed swords and certain spells when proffed high and coupled with the correct gear are dealing out the same kind of damage that wound up getting guns removed from the game. /thanks

That's the whole point I was going for.

Spells require a lot more of an investment then the gun trick did.

Similar could be said of Swords as well, also they lack the range guns had.

Hi. I'm Charge. I do more damage the further away my opponent is and have more range than tier 1 spells. Nice2MeetU

Also, the investment thing is irrelevant. There were classes using guns even though they were a pain to prof. Just because something is hard to achieve, doesn't mean it's okay.

Should ANY attack really be dealing over 400 a hit in pvp?

Hi I'm the melee character facing a charging knight. Allow me to wraith bow him or use a two tile weapon, being mindful to stay within a few squares of him at all times.

Hi I'm the White wizard facing a charging knight. Allow me to fear him, spawn some monsters, force him into the spawn, and stand directly beside him attacking him with my weapon of choice or light.

Hi I'm the black wizard facing a charging knight. Allow me to berserk him/sleep him/hold him/slow him and shred his health with the spell of my choice, I'll also be sure to stay within two or three tiles of him.

Hi I'm the red wizard facing a charging knight. allow me to fear him and perhaps slow him as well, while I disencumber myself playing a limited range keepaway as I beat him down with my spells.

Hello, we are easily applied tactics that can rob a knight the use of one of his most often complained about damaging skills. Pleased to meet you.

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