Since scorpion tails were recently brought up in regards to needing to be adjusted due to being unbalanced, I'd like to bring up two-handed swords.

Dmg is ridiculous. Before everyone decided slinging around poisonous sausages was cool, everyone who wanted to dish out melee damage used two-handed swords. Some still do.

I think a reduction in attack rating for two-handers is in order.

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The fact that you can't use a shield happens to be more significant than you think.

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I usually do more dual wielding Short Swords. The only reason I use 2 handers are for charge and Rapid Strike.

Not to mention 2H lower agility making a knight painfully easy to hit.
(also hi huge delay)

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Hit delay doesn't matter much with cheetah, even after cheetah was nerfed a bit.

Hence everyone using 2-handers with cheetah.

Claymores used to be the fad til you couldn't get them in shops anymore.

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Isn't the damage only significant because of strung pincers? I wouldn't even bother switching to my trust claymore without just my normal strung pincer on, which makes me able to melee desert monsters solo pretty easily when hiding along the mountain ridges for protection. Strung pincers just seem to boost their damage up to the "very good" point.

Compared to my spells the claymore's not worth it, I just use it if I wanna conserve and am not in a rush. I don't really see the need for them to be targeted for a nerf unless they're doing really high numbers somewhere.

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Dean wrote:

Hit delay doesn't matter much with cheetah, even after cheetah was nerfed a bit.

Hence everyone using 2-handers with cheetah.

Claymores used to be the fad til you couldn't get them in shops anymore.

Now who doesn't know what they're talking about. I haven't seen a single person using a cheetah two hander. None of us have even seen a cheetah two hander, I'm psure cheetah can't even SPAWN on two handers anymore.

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Claymores don't do **** for damage without strung pincr/temper/saber. I don't even know anyone that uses them anymore besides Sinsie and Stat.

Everyone and their uncle use scorpion tails. It's fast, strong, and the poison ticks are ridiculous. And it's a New Banian monster weapon.

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Yep pretty sure they were removed earlier this version. If not none of us have seen one in months. Zen has like the only cheetah claymore I can think of.

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Give Dean a break, its not like he actually plays the game.

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zen has a cheetah claymore but he doesn't play anymore. last time i saw him he was hitting for 400s+ on normal hits in irendi but that was with temper/imbue/beefup.

i've seen seisul hit for 750+ crits on desert mobs with a locust claymore. again with temper/imbue/beefup/pincer

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Locke wrote:

Give Dean a break, its not like he actually plays the game.

That you knew of.

Currently boycotting though so yeah, now I'm not.

Also, claymores stopped spawning in shops, yes.

Claymores are not the only two handed swords.

Cheetah does spawn on two-handed swords.

Also, who the **** DOESN'T get a strung pincer?

Oh right, no one.



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Well then maybe strung pincers are the problem, not two handed swords.

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Strung pincers are what make or ruin melee characters in the damage department. They kind of are the problem but not in the way you're thinking.

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Like LP said, I think the problem present seems to be that the default damage is way too low, and strung pincers boost it by way too much.

Can we get some numbers up in this ***** and see what we can do about this?

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First I have never come across ANY two hander cheetahs. Second its not like everyone is running around wiht them like scorp tails which means they arnt so OP'd that everyone wants one. The only ones it seems that are Op'd in two handers are knights. Remember though

Knights:

50 or higher blade
Using a skill
Higher tier sword
Strung pincer
beef up
temper
imbue

Thats alot of **** that factors into damage. On average depending on where I am i hit in the high 200's with a flawless buster venom. But i have a strung pincer and my blade is above 50......No nerf needed

EDIT* against myself wearing all heavy I do 120-170

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You're weak I guess.

I've seen knights in particular hit 400+ using two handed weapons.

The factors and such don't really excuse the amount of damage dealt as we've seen in the past regarding other skills/weapons.

Maybe everyone isn't running around with two handed swords now, but before the sausage fad, that's what they were using.



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Stat is a WW not a knight.

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I know. I still played kinda, up until the other day.

I've seen WW do more dmg than that with two handers.


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Even with a buster sword? That seems a little remarkable to me.

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Sorry to say this but if 2h swords don't do massive damage they will never be used.

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