If champ wolfs can drop beter **** than a dragon imo dragon drops should be higher


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Garland alt farming should never be the better option in a Dragons vs Garland debate... right now 1 Garland alt is superior to 100 dragons.

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Killa wrote:

Nah we took them to like 3k hp then Shane the GM Failure of the Ages teleported some useless guy on top of one of our WWs so she couldn't ether. And that's how we died. With them at 3k hp. We would have went back but sadly there was a pwipe like 2 minutes after. They had been holding it so we could do the fight.

A more competent party would have been able to adapt to the situation.

Also, a more competent party wouldn't have needed to be GM Warped to Ancients.

lol.

On another note, Garland Alts have almost always been preferential to Dragons up until the very ridiculous end-game where so many Garland Alts have been done that Dragons melt like butter.

I still think Dragons are fine now, too - Garland's the only real problem left.

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A more competent GM/Admin wouldn't have allowed people to dupe for over a year without handing out punishment :) but since this topic isn't about the incompetence of you and/or other bads, I will just say that... dragons are not fine. You don't even play... so I'm not sure what you expect to change except to make the game worse since you're not in it.

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Killa wrote:

A more competent GM/Admin wouldn't have allowed people to dupe for over a year without handing out punishment :)

I handed out punishment for their actions, and it was less than a year. You might want to rephrase that better to actually put me in bad light rather than seeming like you are fabricating information, given that most everyone here has a solid grasp on the situation already.

but since this topic isn't about the incompetence of you and/or other bads, I will just say that... dragons are not fine. You don't even play... so I'm not sure what you expect to change except to make the game worse since you're not in it.

Oh, dear, you've caught me. I secretly wanted to ruin the game for everyone since I don't play now.

(that was sarcasm)

I sincerely think that Dragons are at an acceptable point right now. They are extremely difficult to kill and their rewards are pretty fair. I'm also looking into the future as dragon-killing will evolve as it has always evolved and how there will always be found a more effective method of killing dragons after a buff.

Compared to Garland, they may seem to be unrewarding, but the simple fact is, Garland is not fine and has never been fine. Ever. Can you list a hosting where Garland was fine? I think the closest Garland has ever been to fine was when he was nigh unkillable at one point because of how extreme his spawns were - and even then, a Level 40 would probably handle it fairly well with Dark gear.

If Garland were brought back more in line or something was done to prevent the issue that is Garland, Dragons and especially Champion Dragons will become the most valuable items, and given those drops and how things scale, I'd say that's acceptable and the most balanced.

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Deshaun party says: Scanning Ember Wyrm reveals the following:
Ember Wyrm - level: 31
HP: 22842/24168 mana: 215/871.


The treasure chest contains:
Novice Gloves of the Snail
Bandit Shade-Knife.

We picked up all loose items Desh died so I ended up having to kite finish the last 7k or so of it ended up with upwards of 22k reps It did not pick up any other items this was its drop

This looks perfectly acceptable to me. I think maybe what happened was they got dropped lower then expected when dropped to EE level and the overall item point drop of all mobs combined The highest weve gotten is a sorc gown. which when compared to CHamp snowmen and CHamp bulls dropping warlock gloves and Wayfayer royals respectively something is seriously wrong with this picture. Oh but people say if they arent worth it then dont do them.

OK if thats the case then lets just remove drags and while wre at it lets remove bulls and snowmen too and all the mobs then we can all just log on and stare at each other all day that sounds fun too

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Shane wrote:

Killa wrote:

A more competent GM/Admin wouldn't have allowed people to dupe for over a year without handing out punishment :)

I handed out punishment for their actions, and it was less than a year. You might want to rephrase that better to actually put me in bad light rather than seeming like you are fabricating information, given that most everyone here has a solid grasp on the situation already.

but since this topic isn't about the incompetence of you and/or other bads, I will just say that... dragons are not fine. You don't even play... so I'm not sure what you expect to change except to make the game worse since you're not in it.

Oh, dear, you've caught me. I secretly wanted to ruin the game for everyone since I don't play now.

I don't play so I don't know what the **** I'm talking about.

Actually... dragon drops are inferior that of champion Snowmen (and the Bulls that they are comparable to). Let's just break it down really quick.

Dragon drops (each was a seperate dragon):

Fine Sorcerer Blouse
Mediocre Chronos staff
Grand Crimson Cloak
Mediocre Royal Gloves
Bandit Shade-Knife

Champion Bulls have dropped warlock peices. I got a warlock shield earlier this hosting from one. I have warlock gloves and 2 armlets that all came from champion snowmen. Dragons in over 60 kills are yet to drop one Warlock piece, instead a Sorcerer Blouse and Crimson Cloak.

How are dragon drops fair? Killing them is a complete pain in the ass.. and the rare gold drops now do not even come close to covering repairs (partly due to your ingenious idea to buff gear costs).

Not only Garland would need nerfing to be in-line with dragons.. so would every other monster in the game. Evilmen have better drops than both Snowmen and Bulls... they make dragon drops look like dog ****.

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Couple amazing other drops to add to the roster:

Standard Squire Lance
Hissori Yochi

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reply to Killa:

Are you comparing non-champion Dragons to champion Snowmen and Bulls and saying that the Dragons are unfair for dropping slightly lower tier items?

Just making sure here.

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Champion Snowman dropped me in 1 chest:

Standard Hissori Yochi of the Rabbit
Hissori Gleaming-Yochi of the Leech
Lightning Dermis of the Wolf

Dragon drops:

Hissori Yochi

1 item, not as good as even 1 from a champ Snowman.. that's not unfair? When A dragon is 50x harder to kill and more damaging to your gear?

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Shane a regular dragon should drop better items then a champion snowman considering the dragon has what 10x the health and 10x the damage output? Also a champion dragon would maybe drop some end game stuff MAYBE, but considering the fact that you can't just spawn a solo champ dragon it comes with a couple more usually (or like 7 when you're lucky) the repairs would still outweigh the reward. Therefor it's an issue that should be looked in to a little more than just ranting bs on forums.

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LAWLZ wrote:

just ranting bs on forums.

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Dr. Letha wrote:

LAWLZ wrote:

just ranting bs on forums.

Considering that Ace has killed dragons with me... he has experienced the gear damage and stupidity of the situation.

You, however, have not and by making needless posts to distract from the topic at hand are not helping the matter.

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reply to LAWLZ:

So a regular Snowman should drop better items than, say, a Champion Evil Man, considering the basic difficulty comparisons in health, basic melee attack strength, and spell-casting strength, right?

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Shane wrote:

reply to LAWLZ:

So a regular Snowman should drop better items than, say, a Champion Evil Man, considering the basic difficulty comparisons in health, basic melee attack strength, and spell-casting strength, right?

Evilmen are in a much more difficult zone.

How are you even making an argument that dragons should drop less than common monsters... they are... DRAGONS.

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Shane you're displaying the fact that you don't care about the entire topic, so why don't you troll elsewhere? I mean honestly, and actually I think the champ evilman would own me compared to even a champ snowman so gg on that one bro.

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reply to LAWLZ:

Ace you're displaying the fact that you don't care about displaying sense, so why don't you troll elsewhere?

The Champion Evilman, while having slightly higher base attack, would not cast spells and is easily kited, and is in an area with handy chokepoints to handle the swarm.

The Snowman, while having slightly lower base attack, casts Ice 2 which requires massive stacking of an elemental gear just to handle safely, and is in an area where a swarm can and will surround you entirely.

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They can easily be of equal if not higher difficulty to a Champion Evilman to someone unprepared. In the latter, at least you can kite and hide in chokeholes. The former you can only run like a pussy if you can't handle it.

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As it stands right now I'd rather do highlands all day and get a few champs than to even contemplate killing dragons due to the higher risks vs rewards. Sure the reward is that they may be a challenge to fight for fun but other than getting dragon fangs that are imaginary, you'll have nobody to even attempt them.

EDIT:
-There are no more multi-tiled monsters except dragons and Garland.
-You need two tier 4 elements to "almost completely" nullify an element. Not very hard, 1 shield which never degrades and the other slot is optional. Tier 4 elemental gear can be found in all shops outside NB.
-Champs are easily lured towards domains, Evilmen are never killed in this manner
-Because Snowmen cast spells most of their damage is nullified compared to Bulls or Evilmen which never stop to cast and constantly stalk and hit

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JeebsLuvsPie wrote:

As it stands right now I'd rather do highlands all day and get a few champs than to even contemplate killing dragons due to the higher risks vs rewards. Sure the reward is that they may be a challenge to fight for fun but other than getting dragon fangs that are imaginary, you'll have nobody to even attempt them.

EDIT:
-There are no more multi-tiled monsters except dragons and Garland.
-You need two tier 4 elements to "almost completely" nullify an element. Not very hard, 1 shield which never degrades and the other slot is optional. Tier 4 elemental gear can be found in all shops outside NB.
-Champs are easily lured towards domains, Evilmen are never killed in this manner
-Because Snowmen cast spells most of their damage is nullified compared to Bulls or Evilmen which never stop to cast and constantly stalk and hit

Said it before I could.

Also nice screenshot from before multitiles were shrunk... takes a lot more to surround you now.. and only if you are an idiot will this ever happen because highlands are WIDE OPEN FOR RUNNING AWAY TO 2 DOMAINS.

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reply to Killa:

Running away.

As in likely losing your spawn and otherwise disengaging from battle.

I will admit I was silly to post a picture from when multitiles were still in.

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