I do not doubt Dean's knowledge about the game and im sure he knows the best way to do make an alt on newbie island. Is that really important?

I don't know what Kati means by Dean knows game mechanics "better" than anyone because I think throughout playing experience you learn how the game works and im sure we can all agree that each candidate has logged in their fair share of hours. Are we speaking about domain mechanics? Inn and army abuse mechanics? PvP mechanics? Class mechanics?

Domain mechanics: Masha would be like an expert since she always builds up domains. Baram would be an expert because he always blows up domains.

PvP: Darlute, Gene, and even Black could be considered an expert just for the fact they kill people a bunch, have high PK counts, and just know good strategies.

Class mechanics: Marcus, Darlue, Gene, , Remulous. These people can be considered experts at their field just because of the fact they have played 2-3+ different classes up to the cap and knows how they work fully.

All i'm saying is that mechanics or not that is not the main concern because we all know the game. We are just looking for people to appoint as a admin to help the progress of this game.



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Lumino wrote:

Enn: I don't think he cares enough.

Nonsense, Sr. Negativo

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Cea wrote:

I'd like to say I probably know as much or more about mechanics. Despite what Solus thinks, I've been here for ages and have seen the game created. Because of that I know everything that has come and gone.

I'd say you're stating an opinion. Sinsie would probably know just as much considering he's seen all the updates himself too.

It's cool you made some little private updates to FFOBasically that you keep to yourself, but there's a lot of stuff that was left out of basically. I started collecting data hostings ago. It's a shame that Nab and Zen continued and finished what we started together and then decided to leak it all over the community, but there's still a lot of information that was never included in the basically file and never will be.

Basic mechanics were easy enough to figure out even without host files, such as prof requirements, equip requirements, modifiers for the equip requirements etc.

The rest you would have needed host files for. Up to date host files, which I've always managed to get my hands on.

I don't doubt that you know your mechanics well enough, but I do doubt that you've had the same access to host files starting with older versions of 3.5 and then on with most updates. That's reason enough for me to believe you lacked the information required to know as much about the mechanics as I do.

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pick me i'm going to school to be a police officer

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So are you saying you owe all your game mechanic knowledge to host files. cause that's basically all I'm hearing "I know everything cause I has host files". Just saying

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Darlute wrote:

So are you saying you owe all your game mechanic knowledge to host files. cause that's basically all I'm hearing "I know everything cause I has host files". Just saying

I'm saying I'm better suited to catching people who fuck around because I know the mechanics better and I know the rules better.

Yes, having access to the host files gives me access to MORE knowledge than most people have. I've also been playing for years. Started playing when GameHunter hosted.

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Dean wrote:

The forum and the game are two separate entities. How I moderate MY forum in no way correlates to how I would moderate GAKU'S game. When you assume, you only make an ass out of "u".

We can both debate the gun incident until we're blue in the face. One or two people were killed before I realized there was a problem. After that, everyone who died was a willing participant belonging to TSH with the exception of guards.

The fact of the matter is, no one in TSH plays anymore or plans to play. I don't have any ties to kingdom's or players. I pester everyone equally. I know the mechanics better than 99% of the player base. I play the game with a light heart, as it is in fact, just a game. I'm online constantly. I believe everyone has the same right to play, no matter how nice or mean they want to be while they do so.

:)

Wrong-o. Admins need to have a certain professionalism to them, we can't have them trolling kids on Nsay and the like. How you act on your own forums still reflects yourself as well, it's a part of who you are.

And about the gun thing, you're completely lying about it and here's proof at the bottom of this post because I'm stupid with links:

A lot of what happened that day. It's not even close to what you are claiming. Cea's version is the right version of that story.

How can we have you as an admin if you're still the same as ever, really? We have plenty of good candidates this time around, you don't have to run yourself and we will all be fine with whoever's put in charge now. But please don't try and make yourself seem presentable and a good choice if you're going to have to lie about it. You're not what FFO needs. Admins don't have to know how to abuse everything to hell and back; I solved the duping thing without even being an admin or knowing how it worked (but go figure, turns out you can find out how something works and then keep that in your brain-box), so as far as I'm concerned, all you really need as an admin is a general understanding of the game, of how to enforce the rules, and finally being trustworthy. I'd trust Darlute, LP, Jeebs with this sort of position. You, no.


Edit: the relevant topic: http://z3.invisionfree.com/ffo/index.php?showtopic=8631&st=0



Log of that day with gun issue:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=PK02X4IU

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I see that you guys banned me without any EVIDENCE.

How does this work against me again? I mean sure it builds a solid case on why you and Cealor should never be admin, but I fail to see how this makes me a poor choice.

That ban was revoked immediately after it was issued. You guys jumped the gun and banned Zapno/Jules and myself while we were in the middle of reporting the bug.

I will admit I trolled you guys when you got online and raged like you always do, and that I thoroughly enjoyed it.

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Knowledge, mechanics, oldbie, or newbie it dosent matter or not. FFO is a game with a small community and one person can affect it either positively or negatively. An admin in FFO should be IMO a person who can be that balancing force that enables the community to grow and benefit. Dean could and might be that guy "if" he is willing to tone down the way he carries himself on the forum and game.

As long as the new admins are able to handle themselves and the community with a certain respect and keep flaming to a minimum then I'll be fine with whomever it is.



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Sinsie wrote:

Edit: the relevant topic: http://z3.invisionfree.com/ffo/index.php?showtopic=8631&st=0

I wish I could go back in time and break my own fingers for butting into that thread even though I didn't know what was going on.

Current irony aside, I think at this point everybody gets the idea that some of you don't trust each other with the admin position. It'd probably be best for the thread if the topic went back to discussing choices that everybody feels comfortable with, unless people want this thread to bomb and have FFO go without them for another few weeks (and by extension, no icon checkers as well).

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Dean wrote:

I see that you guys banned me without any EVIDENCE.

How does this work against me again? I mean sure it builds a solid case on why you and Cealor should never be admin, but I fail to see how this makes me a poor choice.

That ban was revoked immediately after it was issued. You guys jumped the gun and banned Zapno/Jules and myself while we were in the middle of reporting the bug.

I will admit I trolled you guys when you got online and raged like you always do, and that I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Spin it anyway you want, people can figure it out for themselves. I posted that old topic just to show you freaking out over it, so obviously you weren't trolling (you're not one btw). Zapno/Jules admitted to the bug, that doesn't help your case. Your ban got revoked because you talked with Gaku like a lot of people love to do and make him see things your way, that's nothing new.

Say what you want, I'll stick with the truth and let people see things how they really are. Just remember that warning I gave to Hydrocrush earlier, I won't tolerate it if you keep up the lying. :/

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Sinsie wrote:

Spin it anyway you want

My post on the third page explains everything. Yes, Jules did kill people after he knew about the bug, after Oondi told him to. I however, logged out to avoid any trouble.

The community isn't a mouse in your pocket so you can cut the whole "we" and "people" shit which infers you're speaking on the behalf of everyone. People will take it for what it is.

In my opinion you guys are way too strict and dictate the game like uptight egotistical douchers.

If I'm an admin, I'll be on an administrative team and I'll distribute fair judgment with the help of the other admins.

Being admins for FFO isn't rocket science.
I don't break the rules and I know how to fairly enforce em.

You guys had your time to shine but instead you chose to give it up or whatever. I do know that if you want to call character into the debate, Gaku has reprimanded both you and Cea for constant forum-shitting on countless occassions. You can cut the "my shit don't stink" routine along with the blame game.



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This is not a flame post by any stretch. The master is Solus.

Black Mage domain says: WTS chain mail leggins of the wolf.
Master domain says: Hm.
Master domain says: Naw.
Clouvis domain says: Wtb.
Lord Phoenix domain says: Wtb chain mail leggings of wolf.
Black Mage domain says: Bid.
Master domain says: LP.
Master domain says: Cmon.
Master domain says: Clovius needs it more.
Lord Phoenix domain says: How can you little assholes want every item i ever wanna buy for an alt.
Clouvis domain says: Give it to him because I have some Apprentice Pants of the Tiger.
Master domain says: Woa.
Black Mage domain says: Still, offer.
Master domain says: Clovius.
Lord Phoenix domain says: Solus dont start jumping down my throat with the white knight shit.
Clouvis domain says: Hmm?
Master domain says: Give LP that.
Clouvis domain says: He can have the chain mail.
Master domain says: Fuck max health if you dont have defence.
Black Mage domain says: OFFER LP.
Clouvis domain says: I have Stone Charms for my Knight.
Master domain says: You take the chainmail and give LP that?
Lord Phoenix domain says: No thanks because im not listening to this crap tonight

Okay, that may seem like minor nitpicking, but bear with me. Solus has an incredible tendency to insert himself into EVERY SINGLE SITUATION that remotely smells of any conflict of interest whether his presence/assistance is needed/wanted or not. Ask stat or sarm or dean about the whole keeping dean's chest earlier today as another example. He sticks himself in the middle of everything, again, unnecessarily, reacts and speaks in a knee jerk manner, gets extremely angry and "rages" then runs about "haha, you're taking this too seriously u guise r so butthurt" when we tell him to give it a rest.

This knee jerk reaction and clinical inability to chill and mind his own doesn't bode well with anyone who's being considered for adminship. We don't need a boiling pot of misguided stress heading up any moderation issues that arise.

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Dean: "you don't know my build"
if that was the excuse you used at the time then that was terrible. your profs weren't even past 25 and your armor couldn't be high enough to wear anything past rune?
so unless you deleveled magically from 19 (highly doubtful) then you were lying. The whole you don't know my build is stupid on so many levels and whats funny is that u stood with that excuse until you were ppwiped
Point is if you can keep lying about silly stuff like that then I question you as a choice for admin. Just saying

As for this thread I'm think a decision should be made sooner than later before this thread turns into a shitstorm. Just saying

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Darlute wrote:

Dean: "you don't know my build"
if that was the excuse you used at the time then that was terrible. your profs weren't even past 25 and your armor couldn't be high enough to wear anything past rune?
so unless you deleveled magically from 19 (highly doubtful) then you were lying. The whole you don't know my build is stupid on so many levels and whats funny is that u stood with that excuse until you were ppwiped
Point is if you can keep lying about silly stuff like that then I question you as a choice for admin. Just saying

As for this thread I'm think a decision should be made sooner than later before this thread turns into a shitstorm. Just saying

The build thing was obviously trollage. I didn't need to explain myself to them at that point, I'd already spoken with Gaku and was in the middle of working in a bug report. If you read the chat log I believe I told them to take the matter up with him.

This isn't really a topic for debating a ban that was dismissed by Gaku himself because two admins dished out unwarranted punishment.

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hydrocrush wrote:

JebusLuvsEverone wrote:

Class mechanics: Marcus, Darlue, Gene, , Remulous. These people can be considered experts at their field just because of the fact they have played 2-3+ different classes up to the cap and knows how they work fully.

i have been all 6 classes and CCed on 5 yet it doesent mean i have mastered them

"different classes up to the cap"

I didn't say just CCed. Also this was just me stating an example of how these players know class mechanics even though it's not a big deal. I was just wondering what Kati was trying to get at when she was talking about "mechanics". Still that is just one aspect of the game and a small one at best that should hold only a tiny bit influence about choosing an admin if any at all.



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mechanics is a broad subject, knowing how point system works, scaling, equipment, modifiers, attributes, moon phase influence, etc etc etc. Basically every in and out about the game, so you can add in in line of sight when committing a crime in game or whatever. Everything that is above average knowledge. This is what I meant.

However, I'm pulling out of this topic we seem to be on. Im tired of fighting Cea or whoever on Dean's character when it's not my place. So in other words you guys duke it out. I'm very tired and not making sense all day anyways.

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Dean wrote:

Darlute wrote:

Dean: "you don't know my build"
if that was the excuse you used at the time then that was terrible. your profs weren't even past 25 and your armor couldn't be high enough to wear anything past rune?
so unless you deleveled magically from 19 (highly doubtful) then you were lying. The whole you don't know my build is stupid on so many levels and whats funny is that u stood with that excuse until you were ppwiped
Point is if you can keep lying about silly stuff like that then I question you as a choice for admin. Just saying

As for this thread I'm think a decision should be made sooner than later before this thread turns into a shitstorm. Just saying

The build thing was obviously trollage. I didn't need to explain myself to them at that point, I'd already spoken with Gaku and was in the middle of working in a bug report. If you read the chat log I believe I told them to take the matter up with him.

This isn't really a topic for debating a ban that was dismissed by Gaku himself because two admins dished out unwarranted punishment.

Wasn't the admins place to know about a bug... Instead, you troll the admins. If you explained yourself you really think you would have been banned?


Anyways, as usual... Me simply posting has started all this.

I would love admin and if I had it I would do my job to the best of my ability (which is good, mind you. There was no abuse from admins back then...)

But this is the very reason I am trying not to nominate myself. Because I know a certain group of people would freak out and just make this huge, spamming, flaming, pile of garbage if I were to nominate myself. And once that happens Gaku would get distracted and no one would end up with Admin. Or worse, some one bad would.

It's sad that's how things are, but that truly is just how things are. Maybe one day when people can take a step back from their personal feuds for a minute and realize I was a good admin and still would be. But doubtful.

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Stellarific wrote:

1. On the scale to 1 to 10 1 being anrachy 10 being locke down ffo, where do you stand. (this way we get a clearer picture on where you stand)

2. If one of your good ffo friends came up to you and said this person that was you're enemy or just your friends enemy was abusing a bug, how would you handle it. Be honest. I dont want some admin who is working for his friends or party.

3. How will you moderate the Icon checkers and Renamers. (some of you have answered this already, others have not)

4. Will you play the game if you are admin still?

1) 4, rules need to be fair for players but players need to be able to have fun also and not fear the banhammer

2)show me evidence and I'll show it to the other admins and we as a group will decide what to do.

3)i'm not the best at icons but as long as the icon checkers are doing their job and people are not complaining than they get to keep doing it, as for renamers, as long as a name follows the rules/guidelines there shouldn't be a problem, but if someone complains that a icon checker or renamer is abusing their position or refuses someone for a unfair reason (example being not checking or adding a icon unless they get paided or because they hate the person for a icon checker, changing someones name to something they don't want or randomly changing someones name for shits and giggles for renamer) will loose their job if there is enough evidence and after talking to the other admins.

4) i will still play whenever i am able to.

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And as usual, Cea goes back to deleting my posts. Hmmm, so much for an open discussion. This is exactly why you aren't qualified to be an admin.

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