Gakumerasara wrote:

Sinsie wrote:

My associates were complaining about icon checkers being removed earlier today and mentioned that you announced on NSay you wanted to have an admin (or admins) appointed first before having icon checkers around again, and I'm positive you know what I'm going to ask you for now in this PM. I just wanna say that my intentions are simply cutting through the bullshit like before and taking care of problems/preventing problems from arising and basically managing the community. I think it's great that you're getting rid of Locke since he was stagnating things but I really think it's in your best interests to appoint an admin that you know worked well before and won't get sucked into the "power position" mindset or lower himself down to taking advantage of the spot to screw with other people.

I guarantee that I'd stop things before they escalate and you wouldn't see problems that started months ago continue to be brought up time and time again, and it'd be easy enough to say "no thanks" and remove me later if you don't like the results. Please give me another try. Thanks for your time, Sinsie.

P.S. That means no back-sassing or anything on the forums or whatever either, what you say goes. I just want to keep the game enjoyable at the end of the day (and love making fair rules and keeping things civil, sorta developed that habit ever since taking courses to be a police officer :B). Thank ya.

referendum on forums, post there

To sum up: I sent the above as a PM to Gakumerasara, he told me make a topic and let people vote on admins. This time I hope things are a lot more clear and simple, seeing as how we now have absolute proof of what anarchy brought us (a lot of improvement even with some questionable going-ons occurring). While appointing admins does indeed mean that "Anarchy" will come to a close, I feel with the right choices things will only improve.

I don't want to make too long of an argument and I'm sure everyone already understands by now how things are and what needs to be worked on, as experienced in-game. From what I can gather, other people suggested for this task include David/Darlute, Lord Phoenix, Sarm (surprising to me anyone that could confirm this would be appreciated), and Remulous. Obviously I want to be appointed an admin but I would still like to say that personally I would trust Lord Phoenix with something such as admin because of a lot of things, mostly coming down to "he's down to Earth, immune to girlie charm, has had experience with this sort of thing, has an actual job irl and is self-dependent". Sarm is another person that's "not an idiot" and "wouldn't go power-crazy over an 8-bit world", so I'd happily endorse these two with what experiences I've had with them.

My intentions for becoming admin are a bit bigger than last time though (which was simply getting it before some horrible mistake did, which I'm sure we're all sick of dealing with). If I'm approved by mostly or everyone, I plan on rewriting some rules, for the admins themselves. That includes "head" admin. The point of these rules is to limit what admins can do, and therefore hopefully prevent a lot of dickery from happening if someone less-than-desirable gets admin, which I'm sure is a smart bet. These rules would be revealed to the public and agreed on, and ideally there would be a procedure for the community to show the admin in question he or she needs to stop or be removed. Along with this, I'm also focusing on a better image policy. People new to this game don't need to see old rivalries or other nonsense scaring them away, and newcomers should be lead by a good example. Being strict/borderline douchebag can get things done fast, but there are side-effects which can easily be prevented.

I could go on about myself but I don't think it's necessary so will save you the time. Here's how this topic will work out: recommend people here and preferably tell us why. If you think someone is a good candidate (and they actually want to be an admin), if they have enough support suggest in this topic that they be a selectable choice. Keep in mind not to suggest a friend just because you really like them, suggest someone that could go against the others already listed here and with good reason.

No more worrying about favors, blackmail, or connections ruling the game. Let's keep the freedom of play going and force our enforcers to play by the rules, like everyone else. Vote sincerely, and I'll be hoping people want to give me another chance to fix up the game like before. Good luck to everyone else as well; as far as I know more than one person will be picked for admin positions so I'll be rooting for some of you other runners all the same.

Edit: Also this topic will be heavily moderated so no flaming or instigating/baiting, stay on-topic, etc.

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Firstly, I think we need to make sure that everyone that is nominated is actually willing to do this. It would be nice to have everyone that is throwing their name into the hat post in this thread and approve. And it'd be nice if we could get the G-man to speak what he thinks about this whole situation as well before trying to nominate anyone.

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Seeing how the people I would actually like to be admin have been listed, I'd like to ask you a few questions, Sinsie, before I cast my vote or endorse anyone. You happen to be one of the people I'd like to have as an admin, so I need to ask some questions.

You see, I happen to LIKE anarchy. The only thing that blows is that we have no renamers, no icon checkers, and little curds like Hydrocrush can run rampant without any punishments. However, I like the freedom of killing people over and over who piss me off. Sure there SHOULD be some boundaries, but like I said the freedom to do what you want is nice. I also like the freedom of dsay that we were supposively garunteed. But you know how this story and how it pans out. So I guess my questions are these. How strict are you going to be? What are your pet peeves on what you moderate? Also, what guarantees us that you wont go power hungry like Locke or Oon? Also as apart of the community, if an issue arises and we post about it, how will you handle it?

Also It'd be nice if candidates LP and Darlute answer these as well, for I am thinking about voting for them as well.

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So I guess my questions are these. How strict are you going to be? What are your pet peeves on what you moderate? Also, what guarantees us that you wont go power hungry like Locke or Oon? Also as apart of the community, if an issue arises and we post about it, how will you handle it?

I can answer these truthfully based on past experience as an admin, of course not for this game but admin is admin is admin, it's all the same tired horseshit. Questions answered in asking order.

1) I am not strict but I have zero bullshit tolerance. If I say not to do something don't fucking do it. My golden law is common sense. Wanna kill someone a bunch? Go for it. Wanna trap them in argo and kill them 50 times in 5 minutes? Go to hell. Wanna give your characters dumb names? Your business. Want to give live to Darlootsuxdeek? Hi my name is ban.

2) Pretty much handled in my answer to number one. My only pet peeve is people who exercise an obnoxious lack of good judgment. I am not by any means a thin skinned person and the only thing I expect is a basic level of respect for the game and your fellow players. Fail to nourish that and you and I wont be very good friends.

3)Is there such a thing as a guarantee? My answer is that I don't see admin or any level of power in a game as a fun cool thing. It's a pain in the ass and a job about as desirable as cleaning toilets behind a bunch of fat greasewads at mcdonalds. It's one of those things however, where if you know you can do it and do it right, you do so so some idiot cant claim the spot instead and fuck it all up. I can provide references to say that I'm the asshole that can do the job right, if you feel it necessary.

4)People will have problems with the way I do my job. Good. Post all about it. Just keep the tone respectful. Debate me till you're blue in the face, I've been known to concede to a good point and reverse a shit decision. Be an asshole about it though(i.e. WHY THE FUCK DID YOU RENAME MY CHARACTER YOURE A FUCKING IDIOT GO CHOKE ON YOUR MOMS DICK BAWWWWL) and nastier punishments are yours to enjoy.

I'm a notorious screwball and I'm fine with notorious screwballs. I never have and never will feel the need to flex admin cock for the sake of flexing it, but if someone is a clear idiot they will get it stuck inside them.

TL;DR- LP doesnt suck.

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Even though I do not play this game, I've one request over this proceeding.

Let everybody state their opinion, even those who everyone hates. Even people like Black or Hydrocrush can help point out who would make a proper admin and who would not. All it would take is one stumbling block to hit an admin in order to bring this community's wrath upon them, so allow everyone to voice their opinions, and to bring up possible situations for them to decide over.

If random peoples' opnions are quashed for silly reasons when they are valid reasoning, it will not bode well for the next possible admins.

As to who I would say would make a proper admin, it would be a tough call, as most of this community has shown to take the game way too seriously for their own good; the stress of being an admin would quickly bring them under. We would need a player who does not lord over everyone over simple matters such as PVP. A player who is actually willing to be firm, but most importantly, fair.

Best luck to those willing to try for this job, and may you actually remain sane if you take it.

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We definitely will need to find out if the people I listed are indeed interested in running for an admin position, so if everyone would please contact them and let them know about this topic so they can post and say what's what. Thanks for pointing that out.

@Stellarific

No one should be making rules over DSay or other Says that come with their own rules set up in the first place. Admins shouldn't be making up rules to give them the authority to do so. I say should instead of can't because I'm not one yet, but this is the direction I'm going in. Of course I always found it acceptable for an admin to boot/ban someone for purposely starting crap with the admin him/herself and picking on them (not with PKing, with words) because it's just stupid, though I've never done anything about it myself seeing as it doesn't bother me. It also goes without saying that if someone admits to exploiting a rule or griefing a character (spam-killing etc), the admin is free to get them for it. DSay still won't be regulated, it's just the person being dumb and revealing what they did publicly. As far as everyone else goes, they should be safe and able to voice their opinion to the admin, just not insulting them.

Spam/Revenge Killing is nice and some people deserve it, but it still has to be regulated for reasons everyone is aware of. You know a police officer would really like to beat the crap out of a child abuser for example, but there are reasons why they're civil about arresting perpetrators (as long as they come quietly we're assuming). Same goes for dealing with jerks in the game. You can PK them and show them they should shut up, and if they keep coming to you you're free to do what you will. My personal say is 3 kills in a short amount of time (an hour's worth is a good pick) is the highest amount allowed, going over that demands interference to avoid things such as what happened to Letto.

Pet peeves are a non-issue. If admins are going to have quirks that come up and affect how they moderate, they aren't good admins. I wouldn't tolerate it. If you're not referring to something that extreme though (like some previous admins would show), my "pet peeve" would be people not being straight with me or just playing around. "I could remember this incident better if I was assured I wouldn't get in trouble for it..." That sort of thing is pretty annoying to deal with.

On the subject of me going power-hungry: all I can say is, my brain is big enough that having authority and responsibility for a small online game that started from an NES RPG is not going to make me think I'm super cool or whatever. In real life I clean and maintain our mini-mansion inside and outside, literally doing construction work to it at times (tearing up and putting in dirt/grass/flowers/bushes/trees, digging a trench to put in water pipes), and have been going through a community college getting my AA Degree in Administration of Justice. If anything, being an admin will be fun to me because I can keep things nice and tidy here and the game enjoyable.

In my opinion the people before that have abused admin are probably not that on the ball irl, but I'll stop there since that's getting into flame territory easy. So what I'm saying is, I'm not a nut.

How strict will I be? Strict enough. I'll enforce the rules and follow their intent. I know some situations deserve a lot more tolerance and some people don't necessarily have to be punished so severely. But there are some things that can't be skipped on either. To give an idea, being a guide and revealing someone's name to everyone in the game without realizing it? I'd remove you, because I expect guides to NOT ruin people's play time so casually without even knowing so. Also, if you have a history of being a troublemaker, don't expect more warnings than one. Even one seems generous, but I make it a policy to give people at least one warning unless they do something that can't be taken back.

Finally, if people have a problem, I encourage them to post about it, or just PM it if it can be handled privately. I'm not looking to hide problems, I want to solve them. The entire point of being an admin is to keep the game running efficiently and correctly, and obviously a problem existing means that isn't being achieved. It's the only thing admins have to do anyways, fix problems. If you have a problem with one of the admins, PMs are acceptable if you don't want to be singled out. The way the rules would be set up though (assuming I was chosen as one), I would make it so that the community can speak out against admins if they're doing something wrong as well as set up a suitable environment for people to let problems be known and discuss how to fix them.


That was a lot more than I wanted to do, but I just type too much. Please keep asking questions, anyone. The clearer this gets the better.

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also since I dont believe in self nomination, my personal votes assuming they were willing to take the position would go to sinsie or darlute. I'm quite rather sure rem has already expressed disinterest in the job but I'd be just as willing to see him have a crack at it as the next joe.

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Kumog wrote:

Even though I do not play this game, I've one request over this proceeding.

Let everybody state their opinion, even those who everyone hates. Even people like Black or Hydrocrush can help point out who would make a proper admin and who would not. All it would take is one stumbling block to hit an admin in order to bring this community's wrath upon them, so allow everyone to voice their opinions, and to bring up possible situations for them to decide over.

If random peoples' opinions are quashed for silly reasons when they are valid reasoning, it will not bode well for the next possible admins.

As to who I would say would make a proper admin, it would be a tough call, as most of this community has shown to take the game way too seriously for their own good; the stress of being an admin would quickly bring them under. We would need a player who does not lord over everyone over simple matters such as PVP. A player who is actually willing to be firm, but most importantly, fair.

Best luck to those willing to try for this job, and may you actually remain sane if you take it.

As long as people aren't making spam posts and actually are trying to make legit points, I agree with you. Cea especially loved pointing this out to everyone else and it's only fair since anyone who comes here IS the community.


Also I keep saying what I would do as admin, but really don't let that be the reason why you may pick me. If I'm not picked or only one person gets to be appointed, I'd still help out and send that person a PM of what I had in mind and see if they agree or not. Lord Phoenix for example definitely gets my approval and I'm a fan of the "no BS be straight with me" attitude. We'll have to wait for other people who want to be admin to post though so this doesn't seem like a circlejerk going on. :B But for now, I would say LP and I are strong picks.

Hope to read what everyone else has to say tomorrow and onwards. Maybe next time I won't make such an important topic so late at night...

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I'm gonna have to agree, if there is one slot, its gonna be hard for me to pick between you or LP, Sinsie. But I still gotta hear from David before casting my vote. Who knows, I might think of more questions on a well rested mind.

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Theres a list of people i would suggest for admin, i'll also list why.

LP; Has the right attitude, nuff said.
Rem; This guy should have been admin from square one, is a hard worker, pays close attention to detail, doesent let people fuck around (still cool to communicate with though), knows his limitations, Doesent jump to conclusions, the list goes on.
Stat; Realy simple guy, very level headed, would be the good cop if there was a bad cop. (IE me)
Darlute; Involved in the community, realy simple to communicate with, assesses each confrontation and is patient with dealing with them, and doesent play around.
Kati; Shes extremely involved in the community, and can be unbiased, especially when people pull faggotry.
Dean; Simply because hes one of the most unbiased people i know, and examines each situation from top to bottom.
Kumog; I personally have no problem with the fella, and he doesent get too influenced by community drama.
Sinsie; gets straight to the point and swiftly deals with each situation, while hearing out everyone.
Haze; gives out free blow jobs on thursdays.
Gene; because he would eat all of the still borns so the rest of us dont have to smell them.
Deshawn; because he's black.

EDITU: Enn, and we all know why enn should be admin, and he should probally be the first admin elected......
EDITUUU: Deylin/Nabutso because they'd Blow FFO up making this whole election process unneccesary.




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I'm not sure if I would vote for Rem. He really is very level-headed, but I believe this is the first server he has played? As whiny and annoying as some players can be about it, 3.5 was great enough for people to talk about it.. around 3+ years after it? And 3.5 was anarchy too, as I understand it.

I just feel it should probably be people who have been around for a while - which might seem contradictory to how I always whine about the 'oldbies' taking every single fucking thing too seriously - going further back just means you have more examples of them not fucking around.

No offense to ya, Rem.

Kumog doesn't even play anymore - why give him admin?

To be honest, the only person on Solus' list that I'd honestly trust as admin is LP, but I also try to avoid PvP and drama on FFO and I don't try to get to know people.

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I'd just like to point out that electing a new admin doesn't necessarily have to be the end of Anarchy. A head admin can still allow it to continue while choosing to only overlook icon checking, which I imagine would bring the game a little closer to how Malthros hosted in the past (though it's been so long my memory is fuzzy).

I think that could be a good attempt of having a "best of both worlds" situation, where the playerbase doesn't have to worry about lawyering a list of rules while still being able to enjoy having available icon uploaders.

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All joking aside, I think admins are a good idea, with limitations. I think 3 is the way to go for sure. Making sure there cant be a tie with decisions made by the group. Whod Id nominate or vote for. I dont know. Id have to see what everyone says and their views.



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Stellarific wrote:

So I guess my questions are these. How strict are you going to be? What are your pet peeves on what you moderate? Also, what guarantees us that you wont go power hungry like Locke or Oon? Also as apart of the community, if an issue arises and we post about it, how will you handle it?

I'm not a very strict guy in fact I enjoy the way FFO runs now so it would be kept more or less the same minus some very key things. spawn/spam pking is something I have a big problem with. I believe I warned a party (you know who you are) about this on more than one occasion. if you hate/dislike a person then go ahead kill em but spam/spawn killing em is a little extreme don't ya think. I agree with Sinsie 3 deaths and done. Another thing I would enforce is newbie say. it's honestly almost as bad as a common dsay right now. usual trash alts/troll alts just to grieve other players. Making names such as "IM NIGGER" and of course "darlutesuxcox" then causing shitstorms on nsay without any penalty. I wouldn't be strict but I will enforce rules that can offend and ruin someone's game experience.

power hungry? Locke lost all patience with this community and just began to do whatever he wanted. Don't think he was power hungry more like he just didn't care anymore and did w/e he wanted. Oon wasn't an admin long to my knowledge (wasn't around for that what was it? a month?). I really have no real intention of using admin powers other than to punish those who have broken some of the more major rules and of course to appoint the icon checkers and renamers who can moderate in the event an admin isn't on.

If an issue were to arise I believe a group of people appointed by the admin(s) should discuss and come to a decision as soon as possible to avoid shitstorms that only stink up the forum. I've always cared about the community and have always tried to help it. Admin or not i'm still here to help the community. Any admin should make it their priority to hear everyone's opinion and make good responses on it instead of "stop whining and complaining" etc.

All in all if I'm backing two people with admin
Sinsie: I enjoyed the way he did things and has past experience already. great candidate
LP: Sure he's a fag half of the time but he also doesn't joke around. He makes a great candidate as well.
Either way these are the best two candidates in my opinion.

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If you guys somehow all come to a conclusion, and do manage to get a few admins elected, under no circumstances should their be a "head" admin. That was the problem last time. Everything would have worked out fine except for the fact that there was a guy saying "Yeah hey... I hired you guys, but I really don't give a shit what you say, I'm just going to do what I want anyway. And then I'll remove you all a week later simply because, I proved I don't need you guys, my word is law." Hence why we had a bunch of bullshit bans that the other admins couldn't do anything about.

Also, I'd support Rem for admin, because he's a good honest guy, that knows right from wrong, and knows what should and shouldn't fly. And as vehemently against it as I was before, I'd support Sinsie for admin as well, since he can handle things in a mature respectful manner (or at least from what I've seen recently) without reducing himself to the level of everyone else and pitching flames back and forth. And as much as I hate reading through those walls of text, it shows that he is indeed thorough in addressing every point brought up, and answering every question brought up to him.

At the very least, I'd like to see some icon checkers reappointed so we can regulate that so we don't end up with offensive icons like Deans (But as I understand that we need admins so good luck) and some renamers reinstated, seeing as we were all removed for so called "abuse", which I can attest to not having seen at all.

So I guess I'm saying good luck to you, lets get some things back on track around here.

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I'd like to nominate myself for the admin position. I've been playing this game for what 4+ years and know just about everyone in the game and most of you know me to be pretty neutral and fair towards everybody. I know I don't post much on the forums and I like it that way because I don't like getting into FFO Drama.

I'm sure the people who would like to be admin all have their own reasons but the main one people have concern with is the question of "power". To the people who know me and would hopefully vote for me look at the other candidates and see which person could be that balancing force for FFO that would help make this game as good as it can be and reach it real potential.

Also I don't believe there should be only one Admin. Having all the responsibilities unloaded on just one person is unfair. My choice for admin would be Remulous or Sinsie if I had to choose, maybe even Haze if he wanted it.

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As long as I have played I really dont know Sinsie that well. I dont think Ive partied with him(maybe I have without knowing it was him) so I dont know much about how he is as a person.

Obviously I would have to give credit where credit is due. Since LP spoke up on becoming a admin Id support him in this 100%. Dar and I have our disagreements, more so then none, but I also think he is a good candidate. As for my third vote I still dont know. Itll have to be someone that sets the other two off.

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MagnusGallant wrote:

At the very least, I'd like to see some icon checkers reappointed so we can regulate that so we don't end up with offensive icons like Deans (But as I understand that we need admins so good luck) and some renamers reinstated, seeing as we were all removed for so called "abuse", which I can attest to not having seen at all.

No one was removed for abuse. Everyone was removed because it's not my job to personally appoint, remove, or investigate claims of this sort.

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Gakumerasara wrote:

Sinsie wrote:

I made a topic to see what everyone has to say:

http://www.terulia.com/?f=test&t=364

Quick question though, do you know how many admin slots are available? It'd help to let people know if they're choosing just one person for the job or if there's up to two or even three choices. Thanks for your time, I'll manage this topic and let you know the results of it if you don't have time to keep tabs.

There's no limit or minimum.

So there isn't just one spot available. Since this is a topic for everyone and I'm not in charge of choosing how things go (only topic-starter), I suggest we go for three admins since 3's a magic number. Please voice your thoughts on this and let's see if we can all mostly agree on a certain number between 1 and 4. 5 and above personally seems way too much to me.

@Magnus: I never liked the idea of head admin, and don't think anyone should or needs to be appointed in charge of other admins. An admin in general should be trustworthy enough to be on his own if he has the spot in the first place, and if more than one admin is picked can always talk things out with others and get things done fairly fast.

My life's motto is practically "the simple answer's usually the best answer" but I think it's a valid way of going about things.

Feel free to discuss how many admins you believe there should be/what they should be doing, no final answers have to be given right away.

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Tottally sorry jeebs, i'm pretty sure jeebs'd be great for this position, i entirely forgot about u bro

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