For the past 5 days Me and a 3 others have been training non stop pretty much and we only had one champ spawn.

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Yeah they should be upped a little bit. If not in general then at least for smaller parties. It'd be nice if more than the extreme hardcore raiding people had good items...

This would also go hand in hand with the last update to downgrade shops and upgrade monster drops.

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I disagree. I've been training with a 4-5 person party regularly and we've had plenty of champs. Even up to 3 consecutive champs within minutes.

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You must be extremely lucky then because it's not like he's lying or something.

o_O

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The only time i got more than one champ was when i was in a 12 person party (Although i got a champ bomb in wild mans cave that dropped conjuror lightning feather pants which failed), although one person wasent present, we got three champs sure but when you look at how long we were training and how crappy two of the champs were i say... the champ rate should go up.

Simply because a party large enough to deal with a champs swarm would like to see a champ more often than we are currently seeing. Plus it would promote larger parties....

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I was online for four straight hours and I didn't see a single champ. You know, if the odds of a champ appearing were cumulative odds (Like 2%, then 4%, then 6% and so on as an example), you could at least predict when one was bound to show up.

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I ran around Vorgardia on my own last week, had about 5 champs spawn within 10 minutes. I think the champ rate is just fine.

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In the parties I've been in the last few days, the champ spawns were fine.

We got a few on the 3 last floors of the ruins. A few on each floor.

Along with like 2 champs on the way there from Sankora.

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Okay sounds like they should be less random then...

Because half of us never see them and half of us claim to see them every two feet.

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I've said this like 5 times but has anyone noticed that champs literally never spawn in a dungeon or cave? >_>

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i don't know. I've only seen champs in big parties
yet in small parties we'd be extremely lucky to even get one.
I guess some people are lucky....others are not but i do think it should be raised if only a little

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I've noticed that in some parties I've had dozens of champs within a few spawns. Like, big parties through HL's and Irendi lowlands, or the plains. Other places like upper vorg, the desert or the sewers have horrible champ rates, and sometimes a shitty spawn rate as well so it's kind of a misbalanced deal imo. Ruins are on and off, ice caves are always low etc etc.

Also it seems you need a good 5+ man or woman party to get good spawn rates.

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well.. liveing in igh there is a rarely a big party..to be honest i havent seen a champ ever since ive moved there. so i think it should be that it is more likely to get a champ in a smaller party..

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The only time I EVER see champs solo is if I'm running around spawning 100 million monsters. If I'm soloing and actually killing shit, I have never seen one. And in medium sized parties, I'll see maybe 3 in an entire week.

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Champs are supposed to be rare anyway, guys.

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@Deshawn

Spawn rates are directly related to how often an area is trained in.

Not long ago, when barely anyone was playing, the spawns everywhere were insanely intense.

Now that people are playing more often, spawns aren't as heavy.

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From my experience champs never show up unless you have at least more than four people in your party, and the more you have the way better chance it is for them to spawn. I'd be willing to say anyone claiming to find a ton by themselves are dirty liars, rasa.

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I've never found "tons" while solo, but I have found them.

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the only time i've seen champs solo is when im running from like hundreds of monsters other than that nope never seen one solo and i solo frequently

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Champs are so fucking random, I've been in huge parties that never run into them, and then small parties that get absolutely swamped.

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