I understand stamina drops faster now because you can equip multiple wayfarers and wanderers and the effects stack. That's cool and all, but newbies can barely play the way stamina is now. I remember in 3.5, I was running around with 30k gold on me and could still move decently. Nowadays, newbie thieves (not sure if it really matters at their level), have no stamina with 6k on them.

I guess this might make equipping multiples kind of useless, but honestly, I'd rather have a useless feature than lose players because they can't even move, wouldn't you?

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Funny, I'd think that the solution to that is spend your gold to upgrade you armor.

A BAD game effect has positive consequences. Showing newbies the value of upgrading their gear, go figure.

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Well, it's not that bad if you manage your gold and keep it low. I usually use gold sinks like upgrading or buying 50 ethers.

Then again my gold never gets that high. Personally, I like the new system because last hosting i'd get as much wayfarer as possible, disencumber, and walk in 5 pieces of lumber or stone at a time, which was my only usefulness for resource gathering. The other thing is that it makes it a lot easier to utilize fast also.

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You can obtain wanderer and wayfarer relatively easy without leaving Newbie Island.

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My point wasn't the gold itself, that was just an example. My point was how bad stamina problems can be for newbies just starting out. Plus they don't know to look for wanderer/wayfarer, nor are they guaranteed to find it if they do know where to look.

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I agree with locke. It may be easy for us to find wanderer or wayfarer, but not for the new guy who doesnt know where to look or know anyone that can get it for him.



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My philosophy is to make the game as easy as possible for newbies to jump into, and then it can get difficult like, when they leave the island. Hence I'm trying to target the main things I hear them complain about on nsay in an effort to make the game more accessible to them so we get more players.

The best games are the ones you can jump into quickly, get some levels, a new skill or two, and enjoy using them. That way they'll want to stick with the game even if later on it takes longer to get new abilities, requires more training, etc. The first few levels on newbie island are crucial.

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I like the one idea someone had which was include a single wanderer piece in a newbies starting equipment.

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That seems like the best solution. Just like starting out with pacing.

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Yeah, that sounds good.

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As an alternative, more long-term solution to preventing "kitting"(that is, having players feel they -have- to have certain bonuses to be any good), upgrading armor(not weapons) could reduce its' weight/drain on your stamina by a certain amount.

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I really like that solution. It'll make hoarding 4 or so pieces of wanderer gear a lot less mandatory.

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I think Stamina should be rebuilt from the ground up. It does stop us carrying 500 potions into anywhere we like, but when you have lag or a slow connection, your stamina gets raped every single step. Regardless of how much or how little you hold.

Still, being forced to have wayfarer gear when we could have something more useful like Vine or Will'o'wisp is just dickish.

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Stamina doesn't really affect anyone know hows how to play as much as it does on newbies because we all know to look for wanderer/wayfarer and its a big priority in equipment for us, so we all usually get it and have it, and as far as I know theres not many problems with carrying 50 of a potion.

Granted I get one wayfarer/a couple wanderers and then just use disencumber and I'm good so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about...

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I agree that stamina affects the newer players much more than older ones, but we want more people to play so.. I don't know, reduce the weight of the 'starter' tiers, and increase weight of later items?

this way we wont need to change how stamina works etc.

it'd be nice if newbies still got a wanderer piece or something.

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make starter bracers have wanderer suffixes. both of them. black mages especially are fucked by stamina at the start.

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How about this then:

Change Feather and Wings to reduce the weight of all equipped items. Stackable. Works for me.

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and make newbies have to find more suffixes? 'grape' idea aries!!

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no one would opt to get all feather items in that scenario as opposed to two wayfarers, some hp/mp regen(whichever their class calls for), and whatever other useful suffixes they might want. even if they did, then they would be forced to miss out on a bunch of other suffixes.

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Who said it might need to be a full set? I dunno the % on Wings, but having that on a few slots AND wayfarer would be perfect.

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